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re: The whiplash from China tariffs will be a bit like Covid shutdown according to this CEO

Posted on 4/24/25 at 7:54 pm to
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
451 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 7:54 pm to
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Most Americans in 401ks and IRAs have money invested in China.


Yes, i agree it is a problem.

People are invested in a hostile nation that employs slave labor of those races they are ethnically cleansing.

Quite profitable when nobody can compete.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21289 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 11:42 pm to
They do have what they call a fast boat from China to Long Beach it takes about 12 days to get to Long Beach. Then my stuff was trucked to Houston cleared customs there then trucked it to Louisiana. The whole process took about 28 days once it left China to get to my warehouse in Louisiana.
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
779 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 11:56 pm to
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The whole process took about 28 days once it left China to get to my warehouse in Louisiana.


Been doing some reading on this. That 30 days in the original post seemed kinda of slow but apparently most ships from China will make several stops before reaching LB. Stops in Japan, Vancouver, SF appear to be normal. Then factor in time in the queue to get a dock and then unload time and 30 days or so seems normal.
Posted by LSUShock
Kansas
Member since Jun 2014
5286 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 3:26 am to
His timelines are estimates and on the high end, but they aren’t too far off base. I’m assuming he is referring more to when goods are finished in production to when they arrive at your door. If goods are ready today, they don’t just get on a boat and depart tomorrow. They have to meet cutoffs for weekly schedules. Usually adding 7-10 days from the true “cargo ready date”.

Then if it’s not one of a few main ports in China, the vessel operates on a string that makes port calls every few days along the way. The main voyage once departed trans-pacific is about 12-17 days depending on departure port. There’s no such thing as a fast boat, just a boat with fewer port calls and direct run to LAX. These usually only depart Shanghai or Ningbo. Get to LAX in 12 days, port at the Matson terminal (no waiting), unload next day, ship domestically a few days later. Cost is usually about 180% of standard ocean.
Posted by LSUShock
Kansas
Member since Jun 2014
5286 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 3:35 am to
Molson is a customer and a bit of an extremist, but he’s not wrong.

Relatively speaking ~70% of the US imports come from China. Of that 70%, 60% or so if all bookings since April 9 have been cancelled or postponed. Most of those cancellations are on post-production products. Those goods are done and ready for shipment, just sitting there. In line with his timelines, it will be May 9-June 9 when you start to see the impact of those goods not being where they intended to be.

I have a customer who imports 100s of containers of holiday decorations. His factory rep went to the manufacturer last week. He called back and said there are 1000s of containers worth of Walmart/Hobby Lobby/Target goods just sitting.

Aside from the inventory shortage, the bigger problem here is that once/if this resolves, everyone turns the faucet on at once. And the capacity is fixed, which means the carriers are licking their chops to charge everyone 3-5x normal ocean rates just like we saw 2020-2022. Vessels outside of LAX/LGB waiting again, the whole deal.

International supply chains run on fluidity and predictability. You stop the flow of goods for 6 weeks. It takes 5x that amount of time for the system to right itself. Even if the tariffs get resolved, the supply chain challenges are far from over.

And to everyone who always says, well that doesn’t affect me or my community, we buy local, I say go ask your local suppliers where they buy from. Everyone’s in bed with China even if you have a few degrees of separation directly. .
Posted by wryder1
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2008
4598 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 5:29 am to
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can’t speak for anyone else, but all I’m actively rooting for is for the President to keep his head out of his arse. Or, in the alternative, for Congress to pass laws that ensure presidents won’t be able to shove their heads quite so far up their asses in the future.


So what was he supposed to do with his limited 4 years and a Congress that doesn’t do anything for its constituents? That’s the whole problem in a a nutshell is that Congress refuses to bite the hand that feeds them (China) so it forces Trump to act with the limited tools he had available.
China is at war with us economically and building towards militarily. Meanwhile, the American people are worried about how tariffs will hurt them in the next year or 2. The real problem is Congress and the bureaucracies holding back the American economy with taxes, red tape and endless regulations.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
86874 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 7:38 am to
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But, but, but, negotiations are ongoing "daily" according to the White House.



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China appears to have quietly rolled back retaliatory tariffs of 125% on some semiconductors made in the US, according to details provided to CNN on Friday by three import agencies in the southern technology hub of Shenzhen, as Beijing tries to soften the blow of an ongoing trade war on its all-important tech industry. The exemptions apply to integrated circuits, also known as microchips or semiconductors, according to the agencies. They found out about the exemptions, which have not been officially announced, on Thursday
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
779 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 7:40 am to
Good posts.This stuff is just complicated with a lot of unintended consequences that we're going to find out about the hard way.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29856 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 8:19 am to
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So what was he supposed to do with his limited 4 years and a Congress that doesn’t do anything for its constituents? That’s the whole problem in a a nutshell is that Congress refuses to bite the hand that feeds them (China) so it forces Trump to act with the limited tools he had available. China is at war with us economically and building towards militarily. Meanwhile, the American people are worried about how tariffs will hurt them in the next year or 2. The real problem is Congress and the bureaucracies holding back the American economy with taxes, red tape and endless regulations.

As I’ve said several times before, even if I accept the premise that a trade war was needed (I don’t, but that’s a conversation that’s far too complicated to be worthwhile on here), my objection is that the way he’s handled it has been an abject fricking disaster (and I won’t repeat myself, again, as to why I view it as such). He’s acting like a blind bull in a china shop, and any good we manage to salvage from this clusterfrick won’t be because he broke everything first. I went on record the day he announced the tariff rates as that I thought our best case scenario is that other countries give us some minor concessions that they would have been willing to make regardless (again, see Canada and Mexico at the start), let Trump claim victory, and snicker behind his back. I firmly believe that, had he not acted like a lunatic, the world wouldn’t have come together against us, and we would have been able to negotiate terms significantly better than what we are likely to end up with.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2232 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:21 am to
The folks down voting your comment are stupid. Your story is occurring for many.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29856 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:28 am to
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Violin bow services. There are materials out of Argentina, but they’re not competitively priced compared to what gets processed in China, and the quality is suspect.

I was curious, so I looked it up, and here’s where all the ponies live:



With that said, I am a bit curious: we are obviously a hotspot on the map. Is there a reason we don’t produce our own? My working theory is that quality horsehair would come from younger horses that, for the most part, the US doesn’t slaughter, while other parts of the world that routinely eat horse meat would slaughter younger horses, with the hair being a valuable byproduct. But I could be entirely off base.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2232 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:29 am to
Another day Another melt from the China First, America Last money board.
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The board is getting too much interest from poli-tards. Like you. Many of you don't have a clue on how to be successful in business.
Posted by HVAU
Up over here
Member since Sep 2010
5030 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:24 am to
The prevalence of horses isn’t the issue. The process of sorting hair for use in violin family bows is very labor intensive, basically little Chinese women sitting around giant baskets of hair, sorting each individual strand for length, diameter, texture, and strength. I assume they do this for minimal wages. I could find a video of the process if you’re interested.

Much of the hair initially comes from Mongolia and Siberia, but the deceased horses are processed through China for various products, the tails being removed for the hair we use in violin bows.
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
779 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:40 am to
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I could find a video of the process if you’re interested.


I'll take your word for it.
Seriously, never new violin bows were a thing. Congrats on finding a niche market.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3659 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:51 am to
Perhaps it’s because money is the priority on the money board and not loyalty to a man?
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
37474 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:52 am to
Yep, seems to be a difficult concept for some.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21289 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 2:33 pm to
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Been doing some reading on this. That 30 days in the original post seemed kinda of slow but apparently most ships from China will make several stops before reaching LB. Stops in Japan, Vancouver, SF appear to be normal. Then factor in time in the queue to get a dock and then unload time and 30 days or so seems normal.
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Yes 30 days is normal but the company i was dealing with had there own dock in Long Beach and they had this "fast boat" that they used for my freight and i'm telling you in 12 days my stuff was at the dock in Long Beach. Crazy how fast it got there. Haven't ordered anything since November-2023 so dont't know if things have changed or not.
Posted by LSUShock
Kansas
Member since Jun 2014
5286 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 3:14 pm to
This means you were using the Matson express service where they own their own terminal. It's a good reliable service, but it comes with a cost.

Here's today's market rates SHA to LAX.

Standard Carrier: $2,400/40'
Matson: $8,100/40'
Posted by GeekedUp
Virginia
Member since Jun 2009
2507 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 3:14 pm to
It won’t. Had a $150m Chinese supplier tell us the other day factories are idle.

Something like 1/3 of their exports are to the US.

Like here, the rich control the government and the rich are losing money. They’re concerned about civil unrest due to lack of work, so the rich are doubly worried. They are pressing for a deal.

He was pleading for an order and willing to honor pre-tariff prices.

There has been absolutely zero mention of supply chain disruption from any of our vendors.
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
18619 posts
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:06 am to
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Now the Money Board trusts Chinese officals and is rooting for them TDS is a helluva drug



The money board probably understands that Trump is a known shameless liar. I know that when it comes to making a decision for my money, I’ll believe anyone before I’d believe Trump. If that’s TDS then I have it too. It’s better that TSS Trump Sycophant Syndrome
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 4:09 pm
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