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The Next Step in building financial freedom

Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:51 pm
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16409 posts
Posted on 5/13/23 at 8:51 pm
Most of in here have an understanding on the basic and intermediate steps building towards financial freedom.

I'm living below my means, have about a year's worth of emergency funds, no debt beyond my 15 year mortgage, investing in 401k, Roth IRAs, 529 plans, HSAs.

I'm getting to the point where I need to start looking for other investments means. I would like to know what's the next step I should be looking to take? Damn near all of my wealth is tied up in the market except my house. I would like to try to diversify myself up a little more, but the only thing I can think of to do that is real estate and I have no interest in flipping or renting properties.

So, for those of y'all who have reached the point to where I am in your quest for financial freedom, what were your next steps that you took along this journey?
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 8:54 pm
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:02 pm to
Strongly suggest commercial real estate. Low risk, a rated type tenants.

Or b- to b+ multi family.

Many a people have gotten many a rich when they buy real estate AND HOLD LONG TERM before the ramrods bounce in that the market is crashing.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 5/13/23 at 9:50 pm to
I am about 75% in tbills now but looking at some beat up stocks. Nothing wrong with tbills at 5% plus. (I own commerical property but rent it to my business. I don’t like real estate too much as it is illiquid.)
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
89303 posts
Posted on 5/13/23 at 10:07 pm to
quote:

that is real estate and I have no interest in flipping or renting properties.



either you deal with cash flowing RE of whatever type or you get cash flowing businesses. that is your two choices. take it or leave it. your choice. never say you did not have a choice.

if you simply do not want to do it then that is on you for the failure. vast majority of financially free people have 1 or both of the above.

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Posted by BLM
ATL
Member since Oct 2011
780 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 7:42 am to
Buy a business. Real estate is great but owning cash flowing businesses is better and leads to more opportunities to buy RE.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:12 am to
Go after commercial properties. Flipping and SFR rentals are super tough. You need passive cash flow where you have long term credit quality commercial tenants that all have lease bumps each year.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2274 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:12 am to
I’m struggling with the same thing. Getting a little uncomfortable continuing to put excess in the market. Higher yields on CDs, bonds has helped a little.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
3196 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 8:45 am to
Residential new construction worked for me. Hire a builder, buy a lot in a nice neighborhood, sell house for a nice profit. Repeat.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 9:03 am to
Higher interest rates and insurance cost are going to dampen real estate values.

Could present some buying opportunities.

I do finance a builder of houses on a small basis—one or two at a time—we have one house now that has taken longer to sell than any other we have built the last three years. I am going to lay off those deals for a while.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25028 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:17 am to
quote:

I would like to try to diversify myself up a little more, but the


The “market” has basically anything you could want to invest in to create diversification. You may not be able to physically hold and touch the asset like you can with local RE but the diversification is still available.

In short, create a taxable brokerage account and figure out what area you want more exposure in. Physical metals, REITs, international-specific rotation (pick a country…), industry specific, commodities, corporate bonds, tbills, municipal bonds / tax preferred assets…the list goes on. You don’t have to be in a SP500 esque fund with all your assets.

There’s always a group of posters with a heavy lean towards RE. No right or wrong with it…just choices.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23512 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Damn near all of my wealth is tied up in the market except my house. I would like to try to diversify myself up a little more, but the only thing I can think of to do that is real estate and I have no interest in flipping or renting properties.


Sell covered calls against a portion of your long positions to collect steady income, which you can then reinvest or do whatever with.

Example:
If you own 1,000 shares of SPY (currently $410/share) then sell a few calls (let’s say three, which equals 300 shares) that expire next month (6/16) at a strike price that could be reached, but isn’t likely to be reached (say $424).

Statistically, there is an 80.77% chance that SPY will not reach $424 by 6/16.
But someone is still willing to bet that it will…and as of Friday’s close they’ll pay you $202 for the right to buy 100 of your shares for $424/share.

In this scenario, if you sell three contracts of covered calls you will collect $606 instantly, and you have, statistically an 80.77% chance of keeping your three hundred shares too.

If the price of SPY reaches $424 by 6/16 then you must sell your shares at $424 but you still keep the $606 premium paid to you. Because of the the premium you received, you actually sold your shares for $426.02 if you'd prefer to think about it that way.

This is now your new thing to do with your money to generate income, and it’s hassle free.
You also dictate all of the terms—Expiration date, strike price, and number of contracts sold. Again, one contract represents 100 shares.
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If you must sell your shares at $424 because SPY reaches the strike price by expiration then you can also get paid to buy your shares back at a lower price. This is you selling a cash secured put, which is essentially the same as a covered call, but on the downside. Both are a type of options strategy. What I’ve just described (selling CCs and purchasing again using CSPs) is called the wheel strategy.

It is the absolute safest way to use options, and a guarantee to reduce your cost basis on any stock or etf. It's also a great strategy to implement when volatility is high, as you will get paid more for your covered calls and cash secured puts when there is more uncertainty in the market.

If this strategy piques your interest then look up delta, theta, and gamma next. Also r/thetagang is a good resource.

I realize that not everyone wants to learn about this, but I’m ate up with it.
I’ve added 3% to my Roth balance since early March selling covered calls. Never lost my shares either. The goal is to keep your shares and pocket as much premium as possible.

Edit to add: you might be thinking, “so I’ve got to own 120k worth of SPY to make $606/month?
1) Yes, but that’s roughly 6% annualized and the strike price selected only has a 19.23% chance of being reached. A lower strike will pay much better.
2) We are currently in a low volatility market environment. When volatility increases, premiums paid for options get more expensive, which means you make more on covered calls and cash secured puts.
3) Additionally, there will always be individual stocks that have higher implied volatility thus more expensive contracts to sell. Think TSLA.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 8:12 am
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25028 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:18 am to
And if the price of SPY goes down…

Your post makes this sound like a risk free way of returns.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23512 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 11:29 am to
quote:

And if the price of SPY goes down…
That’s actually the best case scenario.

The value of the calls will plummet, but you have already sold them. SPY plummeting sucks for the buyer of the options, but it’s great for the seller (because to close your position you must either buy them back or allow it to expire in a month or so).

So, as of Friday the price of the contract mentioned was $2.02 ($202).
If SPY plummeted then the price of the option would fall even lower.

In this case, the seller can buy the contract back (buy to close) and then there is no risk of losing any shares to the options buyer. Conversely, the buyer has just lost his arse. He paid $202 on what amounts to a gamble, and he’s lost 50% of that investment.

I no longer buy options. I sell them almost exclusively.

It is recommended that the options seller closes his position at 50% profit and then rinse, repeat the process going out another 30-45 days with the expiration date.

If SPY plummeted and the options contract went down to 1.01 in a few days, then the seller of the contract profited $101 per contract.

There is no risk here other than selling your shares at $424. It truly is risk free outside of limiting your gains, but you’re getting paid for the possibility that you may cap your gains. That’s the trade. That’s the risk.
SPY, the underlying in this case, going down, is a BIG win!
This post was edited on 5/14/23 at 11:58 am
Posted by TigerToGeaux
TX
Member since Nov 2022
167 posts
Posted on 5/14/23 at 5:50 pm to
I believe expanding into real estate and small business would be ways to diversify your portfolio further. Ensure that your current investments are well diversified before you expand into those things. RE and SB is not everyone’s cup of tea, but can be very rewarding for someone with the right opportunity, time and money to invest into it.
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