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re: Tesla making honest car dealers very angry
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:15 pm to the LSUSaint
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:15 pm to the LSUSaint
Tesla paid their loan off 9 years early
And they make a cheaper version for around 70k, 108k is not anywhere near the base model. Obviously out of the price range of most Americans at this point, but for someone looking at a 50-60k BMW or Mercedes, it would be reasonable.
Their plan is to have a model around the 40k price point within the next couple years. I think that is when we'll know whether or not electric cars can gain any serious chunk of market share.
And they make a cheaper version for around 70k, 108k is not anywhere near the base model. Obviously out of the price range of most Americans at this point, but for someone looking at a 50-60k BMW or Mercedes, it would be reasonable.
Their plan is to have a model around the 40k price point within the next couple years. I think that is when we'll know whether or not electric cars can gain any serious chunk of market share.
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Posted on 6/1/13 at 4:01 am to Korkstand
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Someone posted the other day that a full battery charge would be about $10. Don't remember how exactly they calculated it, but they used math and stuff.
It's really easy math: in Louisiana we pay 9 or 10 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh), and the 300-mile battery in the model S has a capacity of 85kWh. So to charge it from totally dead to completely full takes 85 kilowatt-hours, and at 10 cents each it comes to $8.50.
When I bought my macbook, I was told the battery lasted 8 hours. Two years later, I'm lucky if it lasts two hours...how many miles should a Tesla owner expect per charge by 2016? I'd hate to depend on a car that has the life expectancy of my laptop battery.
It makes me nauseous paying $150 each time my car needs an oil change. But it's a relief to know there are crazier people willing to spend $10k to change a battery.
Posted on 6/1/13 at 11:35 pm to lsuconnman
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When I bought my macbook, I was told the battery lasted 8 hours. Two years later, I'm lucky if it lasts two hours...how many miles should a Tesla owner expect per charge by 2016? I'd hate to depend on a car that has the life expectancy of my laptop battery.
There's an 8 year, unlimited mileage, no-fault warranty on them. They will replace a failed battery for any reason other than deliberate damage with a pack of equal or greater capacity and range than when the original was factory new. Also, the batteries used in vehicles are much, much higher quality than the ones used in laptops and cell phones, especially Tesla's batteries. Tesla roadsters have been on the road for 5 years and have seen little to no loss of range. Batteries have been lab-tested to half a million miles and have seen little loss of range. And today's batteries are better and cheaper than those 5 year old roadster batteries. In summary, I wouldn't worry about it.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 1:27 am to Korkstand
"Smartest" battery in the world. This is a car you can have for a lifetime.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 9:36 am to ThaBigFella
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f I save $40K over 5 years in gas and sell the car for even $25-30K I'll have a phenomenal ownership experience bc even though I get "free gas" owning convenience stores I'm really saving 10-15 cents a gallon whoopity doo
Methinks your math is off, way off
I drive an SUV that gets 14mpg. My gas bill is $4K a year.
I can travel long distances and not have to wait an hour to refuel. How much is your time worth?
And I paid less than half on my loaded SUV, than what a loaded Tesla will cost. At 0% interest.
Posted on 6/2/13 at 8:37 pm to TejasHorn
Hey conservatives, the auto dealer a-hole is one of you.
Lol
Lol
Posted on 6/2/13 at 9:26 pm to League Champs
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I can travel long distances and not have to wait an hour to refuel. How much is your time worth?
The Model S isn't for everybody. That doesn't mean the car isn't remarkable.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 11:33 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Is there a map that shows charging stations around the USA?
LINK
There are two on LSU's campus and they are free. The app shows where the stations are and if someone is hooked up to them. Lots in Houston, etc..
edit: I dont see the LSU ones listed anymore. But for sure used to have one in touchdown village and one by kirby. Maybe LSU is no longer green?
edit: LINK
More info on the LSU charging stations.
This post was edited on 6/3/13 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/3/13 at 1:14 pm to Powerman
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There won't be a charging station in the deep south for many years. We hate change.
Believe it or not I saw one in Corpus the other day by the mall
<----saw one in the parking lot of a Cracker Barrel in Chattanooga.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 1:45 pm to GumboPot
Recent announcement by Tesla regarding their expanding supercharger network.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:28 am to NewIberiaHaircut
Also announced that they were updating the superchargers (software I guess?) and it will now only be 20 mins for a half charge.
Tesla is doing motherfrickin work.
Tesla is doing motherfrickin work.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 2:09 pm to Chris Farley
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Tesla paid their loan off 9 years early
To be clear, they paid it off with Debt and Equity. So that is kind of misleading. Yeah, the government got its money back. But, it isn't a sign of an amazing business model.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 7:10 pm to lsu13lsu
Tesla lost the battle in Texas. North Carolina looks like they will do the same.
I think its just the first domino
I think its just the first domino
Posted on 6/4/13 at 7:37 pm to lsu13lsu
Tesla lost the battle in Texas. North Carolina looks like they will do the same.
I think its just the first domino
I think its just the first domino
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:19 pm to League Champs
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Tesla lost the battle in Texas. North Carolina looks like they will do the same.
I think its just the first domino
Really? Because if we are being honest with ourselves we will see that these attempts to lock Tesla out is a chump move.
Texas is blocking Tesla under the guise of protecting consumers by conserving the competition between dealerships. They are worried that changing current franchise laws would open the door for larger manufacturers to begin selling directly to consumers. Well god forbid producers and consumers do business directly, cutting out the middleman that nobody likes to deal with anyway. It's kind of funny because Dell Computers kind of led the way in selling direct to consumers in the PC industry, and is based in Texas.
Then they throw out the whole "it'll hurt family-owned franchises" spiel. frick that. Why do states have laws that favor one business model over another? Shouldn't the free market decide? The dealers like to appeal to the consumers saying they are doing what's best for them, local presence and what-not. They should stop being pussies and lobbying for laws protecting their businesses, and instead welcome the competition and opportunity to show consumers their value.
And why is it the small-government, regulation-hating red states that we keep hearing about strictly enforcing these ridiculous anti-business regulations?
I don't think Musk is going to back down, and in the process with all the publicity I think more people are going to start realizing what's going on.
It may be the first domino, but I think they will start to fall in a different direction than you expect.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:43 pm to Korkstand
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Because if we are being honest with ourselves we will see that these attempts to lock Tesla out is a chump move.
Really? Its a textbook business move. Bill Gates made a gazillion dollars doing it. Freeze out the competition, until they can't afford to compete. He even lost in the Supreme Court, but was so entrenched that it didn't matter
Tesla looks like its on the way out. The automakers have checkmate. Once they got Texas, everything else will be rinse, lather, repeat
Posted on 6/5/13 at 12:13 am to League Champs
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Really? Its a textbook business move. Bill Gates made a gazillion dollars doing it. Freeze out the competition, until they can't afford to compete. He even lost in the Supreme Court, but was so entrenched that it didn't matter
Bill Gates made his money by being a good businessman. Microsoft had spent zero dollars on lobbyists by the time the antitrust stuff came about, and Gates was still against hiring lobbyists. Only when he realized there was no other way to go about it did Microsoft start lobbying. Microsoft played the legal game because they were forced into it for survival. All Gates wanted was the freedom to distribute software the way he wanted to distribute it. Microsoft is Tesla in this scenario, the opposite of what you intended. What these dealers are doing is a chump move, and shows a total lack of confidence in their business model.
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Tesla looks like its on the way out. The automakers have checkmate. Once they got Texas, everything else will be rinse, lather, repeat
On the way out? They are still receiving orders faster than they can fulfill them. They are pushing as many units of plug-in vehicles as Chevy and Nissan are, despite being priced much, much higher. On the luxury/sport front, they are selling more units than similarly-priced vehicles from car manufacturers that have been in business for a century, and that aren't closing up shop anytime soon.
And there's another huge thing in Tesla's favor: the cost to produce traditional cars typically stays the same or increases, while the main cost to produce Tesla's cars (the batteries) will continue to drop at a rapid pace.
Checkmate? Not even close.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 12:24 am to Rougarou4lsu
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And you paid list price for it, didn't you? because of no competition.
There are plenty of other cars out there available for purchase.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:16 am to League Champs
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Tesla looks like its on the way out. The automakers have checkmate. Once they got Texas, everything else will be rinse, lather, repeat
El oh el.
It's not over in Texas either.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 11:20 am to JohnnyKilroy
Can a Nissan electric be charged at a Tesla station? Is this stuff universal is what I'm saying.
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