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re: S/S - Do you plan to take at 62/67/70

Posted on 12/1/23 at 12:01 pm to
Posted by Topisawtiger
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3680 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 12:01 pm to
I'm 64 and just went into a retirement trial. Using my savings that make 5.25% instead of drawing SS at this time as it goes up 6-8% annually depending. Not sure how long I'm gonna do this tbh. I keep thinking about going back to work but don't have the drive to pull the trigger. If I wuss out and totally retire, then I'll apply for SS and use my retirement savings for fun stuff.
Posted by caill430
Da Dirty Dell
Member since Jul 2005
1333 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:53 pm to
If SS was going to bust why wouldn't the fed raise taxes that would fill up the cookie jar. With 300 million Americans the tax could be minimal.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:30 pm to
quote:

That’s not really the problem with SS. It’s not that the money isn’t there, it’s that the money isn’t coming in faster than it’s going out in the very near future.

The one thing I have read that makes me think it's functional long term is that the idea of "money going out faster than in" is a misunderstanding. Yes, specifically social security tax is not keeping up with the spend and the reserve fund is draining, but once that is drained the government will just fund it with tax dollars. Now the government might print the tax dollars to fund it, but it's not like the system is purely reliant on social security taxes to fund the entire system.

The person I read this from could be mistaken, so if it's wrong tell me.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:50 pm to
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It depends on your situation at age 62. Our plan is to not have to work past 55 so we will take at 62. if i waited until 67 the increase amount over 62 takes like 12 years to receive more money overall vs taking at 62

If you wait to 67, you break even at 78 (12 years).
Do you want to guess what the average mortality rate is?

It's a simple question if you think you are better than average or not.

I just turned 46.
The reason I'm leaning against early distributions is the ability to have unencumbered income.
If that income issue gets solved, I may take early too. Right now, it makes sense to wait until FRA.
Posted by Central MS
Madison MS
Member since Dec 2022
58 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 7:47 am to
I started taking SS at 64, FRA was 66.5 years.
I did the calculations, and would not start losing money until age 78.
Made sense to not leave money on the table.

A word of caution about taking it early- they wanted to “take back” $8,000 due to early retirement payouts the year I retired.
I was able to appeal the clawback and WON once I got my HR department to verify my age 64 payments were due to a severance package.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53115 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:12 am to
I'm almost 46 and have no idea what the program will look like in 16+ years. I suspect there will be changes between now and then - reduced payouts, increased retirement age etc.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11070 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:58 am to
You won’t be getting much of anything. I’m 44 and don’t expect a nickel. Boomers are going to bankrupt SS and Medicare.
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
4024 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:59 am to
Taxes will determine what I do. I’m 56 and own a business. I’m honestly really enjoying what I do and am just now really reaping the rewards. Unless health goes down, or business goes down, I’ll probably hold pat.
Still feels like I’m leaving something on the table.
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
878 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:02 am to
If I have good health wait to 70. If not looking at taking it early.

Still have 15+ years before need to make the determination
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94811 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:11 am to
My current plan is 68 and 4 months.

(ETA: My calculation is based on my working at least until that date, delta calculations between reductions/credits and spousal benefits, etc. You baws out there doing a straight line "turn a profit" make sure you don't ignore the spousal benefit calculations, especially if one spouse makes significantly more than the other AND is older. While credits won't "stack", reductions for early will.)
This post was edited on 12/2/23 at 10:15 am
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
3196 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:11 am to
I have not looked at this in a while, but thought the break even age was 82. I think I did comparison of taking it at age 62. Am I remembering this incorrectly?

Also, what do you mean by delaying because of ability to have unencumbered income?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94811 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:21 am to
quote:

I have not looked at this in a while, but thought the break even age was 82. I think I did comparison of taking it at age 62. Am I remembering this incorrectly?



Everyone's situation is going to be unique. This may have been correct for you comparing just you taking early at 62 versus just you taking it at either FRA or 70.

Now - let's assume your income changed significantly since then. Or you have a lower income spouse who is several years younger. All of that can change the math. As it your working date/amounts.

If you continue working after you take benefits, your income will be limited. At FRA there is no limit. Without getting into a political debate about how/why it is so complicated, it is a very, very complicated calculation and not subject to easy answers.

For example - if my health takes a significant dip in the next 2 or 3 years, that might change my plans radically. I could retire in 3 years if I had to. I would have to change a bunch of things, but that would put me in the "62" camp.
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
3452 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:33 am to
I’m not sure why politicians are so scared of raising the SS retirement age. I’m 44 and at no point have I expected benefits. I think people my age feel similarly. If they try to raise my taxes, then they can go F themselves. But if they change the age for people 45 and below, I think most of us would just shrug. But it wouldn’t cost them votes
This post was edited on 12/2/23 at 10:35 am
Posted by cusoonkpd
Big Mamou
Member since Apr 2015
1828 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:35 am to
I began taking ss at FRA (66 years 4 months). I still work full time. My wife recently applied to take hers starting in January (64 years 6 months) because I will be retiring in the next few months. I will still work part time for the next year and a half.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

If you wait to 67, you break even at 78 (12 years). Do you want to guess what the average mortality rate is? It's a simple question if you think you are better than average or not.


It’s not just breakeven though. Thats a good place to start, but taxes and investments/interest rates are a big deal too.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53115 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:56 pm to
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You won’t be getting much of anything. I’m 44 and don’t expect a nickel. Boomers are going to bankrupt SS and Medicare.

I'd love to hear a rational explanation from someone arguing that this is not a Ponzi scheme.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 12/2/23 at 10:57 pm to
quote:

Thats a good place to start, but taxes and investments/interest rates are a big deal too.


You are going to invest the SS income? Which isn't a huge amount to begin with.

While being strapped in how much you can earn before there are implications on the SS income?

Unless you are sitting on a pile of Roth, it doesn't make sense.

Edit to add: your annual ss annuity increases 8% for every year that you defer.
This post was edited on 12/2/23 at 10:58 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136265 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 6:43 am to
62 without hesitation. Rules will change if you don't
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
3196 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:18 am to
Nah.If the rules change, people of same age will be treated the same regardless. Really it is "when" the rules change, not if.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:43 am to
I am waiting.

I did just enroll in medicare this year as I became eligible. There are penalties in some sections of it if you wait.

Warning to business owners--medicare is not cheap. It is income based and if you have LLCs flowing enough income through to your personal tax return they will hit you with high premiums. It sucks considering I also pay that income tax surcharge for medicare. My premiums are no less than they were on Blue Cross but my deductibles are less.
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 8:46 am
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