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rule of thumb for retirement savings

Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:30 am
Posted by noon0707
Saint Amant
Member since Sep 2010
182 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:30 am
I'm 40 with a good job and not much debt, whats a good general rule for savings for retirement? I'm currently saving about 30-35% of my net income. I'm trying to find a sweet spot
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:33 am to
There isn't an objective sweet spot past whatever minimum you should be doing, which it appears you're meeting.

But do try to enjoy life on the way.
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 7:35 am
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17954 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:52 am to
Find a pro and discuss this. Tell them when you want to retire, what type of lifestyle/standard of living you want to have in retirement and a complete record of your current standing.

It should be a short and simple meeting and they can help you find the best % to save for your situation.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48893 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:02 am to
quote:

I'm currently saving about 30-35% of my net income


edit: i shouldnt say this is a troll when i don't know anything about your past savings
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 8:04 am
Posted by noon0707
Saint Amant
Member since Sep 2010
182 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:36 am to
Not a troll Chiz, I got a lot of good advice when I was young. Ive been using Edward Jones to handle my IRA and give guidance on my 401K. It seems like a cookie cutter type of deal to me. Ive always been an aggressive saver and pretty conservative, but I think I may be missing out on some opportunity to enjoy my money now. The advisor I use ran a couple models(monte carlo model I think it was called) and said that retirement shouldn't be a problem for me. I'm considering slowing down on saving and spending more money on now. Within reason of course.
Posted by nctiger71
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2017
1318 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:41 am to
That seems high unless you want to retire earlier than most; say before age 62.

A good financial advisor can help you figure out what to do now based on your short & long term objectives.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24123 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:51 am to
Percentages are a bad indicator IMO for saving albeit they are often quoted. Focus on the actual dollars being saved since that’s what drives your purchasing power.

30% on an income of $30K vs $100K is a dramatically different “rate” of actual dollars hitting your accounts.

Generally, save as much as you possibly can while still enjoying your life in the present day. There isn’t one right answer. Some people will say a certain multiple of your income based on your age but I don’t follow those personally.
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4583 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Ive been using Edward Jones to handle my IRA and give guidance on my 401K.

Generally speaking, 30% plus is a healthy savings rate. Some on this board will suggest (and I agree) you are overpaying an Edward Jones advisor. The following free calculators will let you check his work. They are simplistic, but a good place to start.

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The Vanguard Retirement Nest Egg calculator

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The Fidelity myPlan Snapshot

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Personal Capital's Retirement Planner
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24123 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:23 am to
EJ is not a preferred broker / financial planning company per this board / Bogleheads. There will almost certainly be better options for you. If you do want to speak with a financial adviser then make sure s/he is a fee-only and a fiduciary.
Posted by noon0707
Saint Amant
Member since Sep 2010
182 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:30 am to
Thanks ynlvr, I will be looking into these. I have very little experience in doing this on my own, but am not scared of trying something different. For 15 years I've just watched it being drawn from my account with only meeting with my financial advisor twice a year only to hear "youre on the right track keep saving"
Posted by noon0707
Saint Amant
Member since Sep 2010
182 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 10:53 am to
Any recommendations on an advisor in Ascension parish?
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

Percentages are a bad indicator IMO for saving albeit they are often quoted. Focus on the actual dollars being saved since that’s what drives your purchasing power.


A rule of thumb is the absolute minimum to secure a 30 year retirement is 35x inflation adjusted retirement costs.
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 3:19 pm to
6 months emergency
401K to match
Max Roth IRA
401K to max
After that enjoy the rest don’t oversave or overspend.

ETA: frick dem kids
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 3:23 pm
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3700 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:30 pm to
Trouser Trout,ynlvr,lynxcat all giving you good advice.Listen to them and ditch EJ.This is not rocket science,EJ and all these other financial people want you to think it is.Bogleheads board has lot of good info.Keep it simple,Index funds will beat the overwhelming majority of managed funds over time with very low fees.Fees you pay advisor, managed funds will cost you significant amount of money long term.
Posted by Ton Chou
On the Levee
Member since Feb 2010
757 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 12:03 am to
What I’d like you to reconcile is how 99.9 % of this state “retires” with zero, yet seems to eat and sleep just fine?


Y’all all advise as if everyone will be vacationing in Europe 8 months out the year and will have an RV at tiger stadium the other 4.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 12:08 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 12:14 am to
quote:

I'm 40 with a good job and not much debt, whats a good general rule for savings for retirement?


I would say 15% of your current, gross income per paycheck. Lots of folks just can't spare that, but if you get into the habit early, it can be sustained.

As far as milestones, you should be about 1x your salary somewhere between 30 and 35. 2x between 35 and 40. 3x between 45 and 50. Then, it sort of varies with how much you've been able to amp up and, frankly, how well your investment mix did, but 5x by 55 to 60.

I'm early 50s and I'm only 1x. I do qualify for 2 pensions, so that mitigates my dalliance, but I need to push a little harder to get to 15% consistently.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 12:17 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 12:19 am to
quote:

A rule of thumb is the absolute minimum to secure a 30 year retirement is 35x inflation adjusted retirement costs.


This is utterly ludicrous.

20x would easily sustain a person at their salary indefinitely. Certainly 35 to 40 years with a draw down. 15x would probably get a person through 30 years, although a bad year early would threaten that (and that's assuming other retirement income, including SS is $0).

35x? Nonsense. That means a person who earns $50k needs to save $2m to retire or they have to work until they die.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2114 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 12:43 am to
35x seems excessively conservative.
25x is what many in the FIRE community use based on 4% safe withdrawal rate. If you have flexibility to reduce expenditures during years when the market is down you further reduce risk of depleting your savings early.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3102 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:51 am to
quote:

Any recommendations on an advisor in Ascension parish?
I've met with Mike Bonfanti as 'fee only'. He will manage your assets for you for a percentage if you not a DIYer.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3102 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:59 am to
quote:

rouser Trout,ynlvr,lynxcat all giving you good advice.Listen to them and ditch EJ.This is not rocket science,EJ and all these other financial people want you to think it is.Bogleheads board has lot of good info.Keep it simple,Index funds will beat the overwhelming majority of managed funds over time with very low fees.Fees you pay advisor, managed funds will cost you significant amount of money long term.

THIS. Also, give very little credence to the opinion pieces you read on the market. They don't know what the hell they're talking about or they're purposefully selling fear or greed.
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