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Retirement asset allocation

Posted on 8/22/24 at 6:32 am
Posted by Redstickbaw
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 6:32 am
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Posted by slackster
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 6:37 am to
Don’t touch it. Come back here when you’re 50-55 and we’ll talk again.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 6:54 am to
80% S&P500 index
20% Best performing asset of all time
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:05 am to
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Don’t touch it. Come back here when you’re 50-55 and we’ll talk again.


This right here, ignore the noise.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:15 am to
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I am thinking about just putting it all in one of the target date funds




you should run away from target date funds ALMOST as fast as you run away from Edward Jones.

It has been discussed ad nauseum here. search for the threads if you want to read it.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:16 am to
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20% Best performing asset of all time


HKRS?

YAYO?
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:53 am to
Add some small cap value and large cap value funds. Maybe a dividend fund .

Target date funds will put you in a ton of bonds which will hurt your overall returns.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:10 am to
In the S&P 500 fund, about 33% of your money is going into ten stocks. They are what is called the "magnificent seven" but with a double dose of Google plus Berkshire Hathaway and Broadcom.

In most target date funds, about 33% of your stock allocation would go into a foreign stocks, then once again about 30%+ of the remaining stock allocation would be the same stocks as mentioned above. So you'd be putting about 1/3 of your stock allocation into foreign stocks, which have absolutely sucked for the past 20 years and mostly sucked for the last 25, then another third of your stock allocation into about 10 domestic stocks that have been leading for a while and maybe ripe for a pullback, then the remaining 1/3 of your stock allocation would be in smaller and more diversified stocks.

Is it good or bad? Do you want 1/3 of your money to go into foreign stocks and another 1/3 to go into just 10 US stocks, most of which are concentrated in just 1/9th of the total market (large growth)? That would leave just 1/3 of your stock allocation for the remaining 8/9 th's of the US stock market.

Small Value stocks are the highest returning asset class over the long term. That would probably be less than 1% of your allocation in the target date fund. It is probably 0% in your current allocation.

This post was edited on 8/22/24 at 8:48 am
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:36 am to
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I am thinking about just putting it all in one of the target date funds that target when I’m 60 so it’ll be a set it and forget it.
Please don’t.
Posted by Crescent Connection
Lafayette/Nola
Member since Jun 2008
2211 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 9:02 am to
25% Growth/tech
20% S&P
20% mid cap
20% small cap
10% international
5% value
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2320 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 9:19 am to
Don't use target funds.

Keep the majority in s&p500 or Russell1000. If I was going to do a set it and forget it approach, the these would be my choices. 90% s&p is not a bad choice.

At your age, I followed typical advice, and was diversified into about 10 funds. Over time, the 500 came out better, with lower fees. I got out of Inter tional funds many years ago. Decided to focus on US stocks. Most decent sized US companies are international, and investing in international funds is complicated. Maybe consider moving your international money to small cap US, like Russell2000.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11820 posts
Posted on 8/22/24 at 9:41 am to
I’m 40 and riding 100% VTSAX until I’m early 50’s.
Posted by Louie11
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:27 pm to
Check out Paulmerriman.com
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2320 posts
Posted on 8/23/24 at 10:00 am to
Small Value stocks are the highest returning asset class over the long term.
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Not researching to validate, but not sure this is correct.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
745 posts
Posted on 8/23/24 at 1:59 pm to
I shouldn't have used the words "asset class", I should have said "stock style". Obviously, large cap growth has dominated over the last ten years and especially the last five, but over the very long term (90 years or so) US small value has beaten all the other US stock styles.

It seems like this stuff was easier to find with a search a few years ago, but there is some discussion and charts at this link that will give a quick answer. It is from 2020, and obviously the market has been dominated by a narrow advance of a few large cap growth stocks since then, but there are other sources out there.

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Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2320 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:44 am to
Thanks for the link. Interesting and a good read. I am not in a lot of different funds, but the 500 has been better to me than the Russell2000 over the long haul.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
745 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:02 pm to
The important thing to remember is that we are probably at the end of a large growth lead market cycle. At the end of a market cycle like that large growth index funds are going to look outstanding, just because a cycle like that usually ends with a few mega cap large growth companies advancing when smaller caps are not. Because most index funds are market cap weighted, this the large cap index funds look great because they have low expenses and they are very concentrated in the largest growth stocks, even if they aren't a "growth" fund, those stocks grow and concentrate in even a broadly diversified index fund at the end of a growth dominated market cycle.

Now, of course, no one knows if the growth lead market is over right now, but if it is, if you are investing in a large cap market cap weighted index you are putting more of your money into stocks that are going to go down in price. Meanwhile, the rest of the 80% of the market gives you more for your money.
Posted by benwillis57
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2018
31 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:14 pm to
I was in a similar spot a while back and ended up switching to a target date fund. I liked the idea of not having to constantly rebalance my portfolio. The target date fund takes care of that for you and adjusts the risk as you get closer to retirement. My old mix was a bit aggressive for my age, and I found the target date fund helped simplify things. Just make sure to check the fees and what the fund actually holds to ensure it matches your retirement goals.






Posted by Bob Sacamano 89
Member since Apr 2023
161 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:08 pm to
So I have my retirement in vffvx - target retirement 2055.
What am I missing.
Vanguard total stock market index - 54%
Vang total international stock index - 36%
Vanguard total bond index - 7%
Vanguard total International bond - 3%
Return is 21% in last year.
Not arguing but what am I missing with this choice?
I see 90%/10%
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
23495 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

you should run away from target date funds ALMOST as fast as you run away from Edward Jones.

Even Vanguard?
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