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re: Price gouging in a temporary supply crunch like the Colonial situation should be allowed

Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:27 pm to
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:27 pm to
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terrible take from slackster #455


Nah, for once I agree with him
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:27 pm to
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A third of a tank is about 7 gallons or $70. Thats about 2 days of work in La at min. wage, after taxes etc.


Maybe the single mom shouldn’t be driving a fricking f250 with the extended range tank lmao.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:30 pm to
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I want price controls to be a seldom used arrow in the arsenal. Because it keeps (say a Mitt Romney hedge fund type) from forcing a shortage


There’s a severe housing shortage right now. Should the government set prices on those too, comrade?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:32 pm to
What triggers it happening?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31158 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:33 pm to
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I want price controls to be a seldom used arrow in the arsenal. Because it keeps (say a Mitt Romney hedge fund type) from forcing a shortage, as a reason jack prices up, in order to make bank. Off a false narrative that they created as a way to make bank


Cool, so we'll give the government the ability to set prices for goods when they "deem it necessary". I can't see that being an utter fricking disaster that they abuse like crazy.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:34 pm to
“2 weeks”
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11120 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:36 pm to
We should set policy to protect hypothetical people from hypothetical scenarios instead of maximizing who it helps and allocating resources most efficiently emergency situations. Genius stuff.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:41 pm to
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There’s a severe housing shortage right now. Should the government set prices on those too, comrade?

lulz, You just skipped right over the words 'seldom used'.

If you crypto enthusiasts woke up to a monthly energy bill of $3500, you'd scream and cry to the govt to intervene. Because mining would have to stop immediately. Indefinitely

Just like Texans did when they got their non controlled bills, following the ice storm
Posted by jimbeam
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:43 pm to
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You just skipped right over the words 'seldom used
You must have missed where we asked you how you define “seldom” and under what criteria the government m would set prices. Honest oversight on your part I’m sure.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:44 pm to
I don’t think you understand how capitalism works and how supply and demand works to avoid shortages

In your system the first few idiot hoarders would get all the gas and everyone else would be SOL. By allowing prices to rise, hoarders will think twice which allows for more people to get gas
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3798 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:45 pm to
Is price the only method to control hoarding? Gouging hurts the consumer and rewards the supplier, effectively capitalizing on the effects of an attack/disaster.

Seems rationing it based on CC info or address or VIN or some other traceable means would be much more efficient.

Very few people need more than 10 gallons of gas a day. Seems like you just limit how much fuel somebody can consume during the shortages. Similar to the way ammo or TP or hand sanitizer or EVERY OTHER product is controlled during a shortage. In this scenario, simply extending the timeline will allow the situation to improve.
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:46 pm to
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Its far, far better to sit at home with no gas, and not pay for day care
Day Care is still going to charge you
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:46 pm to
They tried that with toilet paper. People just went back into the store after checking out and bought more.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27935 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:47 pm to
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What triggers it happening?

You mean like a highly questionable pandemic? Where you had govt officials telling people not to use cheap effective medicines, but wait for the ridiculously expensive new meds that they have a financial interest in?

And you cannot fathom the damage that could be done in an instance lie that, if price gouging were endorsed. C'mon. We just lived that scenario for a year
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11120 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

Is price the only method to control hoarding? Gouging hurts the consumer and rewards the supplier, effectively capitalizing on the effects of an attack/disaster.



As they should when there's high demand for their inventory.

quote:

Seems rationing it based on CC info or address or VIN or some other traceable means would be much more efficient.



Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27935 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:52 pm to
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By allowing prices to rise, hoarders will think twice which allows for more people to get gas

If there was any basis of truth in this statement, there would not be price gouging rules in place

We have very recent experience where the utility companies acted as the hoarders by raising rates, and people were SOL during the ice storm. Or the gas stations became the hoarder following a hurricane, and travelers were SOL if they couldnt pay up. And now sawmills are the hoarders, and home builders are SOL until they decide to turn the mills back on
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27935 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:01 pm to
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Day Care is still going to charge you

Because their minimum wage employees are going to be able to get to work on $10 a gallon gas, amirite?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37112 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:03 pm to
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don’t think you understand how capitalism works and how supply and demand works to avoid shortages



That demand/supply metric works well for non-essential items. I would argue that gasoline is, for most people, an essential item.

Spiking the price to $8/gal will indeed cause some to not buy as much, but it will cause others to not buy any, even if they need it. That's not good for capitalism, either.

I think in situations like this, temporary purchasing restrictions are the answer. Something like, you are limited to 10 gal per day, every other day, based upon the first character of your license plate. That's not perfect as I guess someone could visit multiple stations, but at least it would move the lines and give a chance for everyone to get something.

The real answer, though, is we need more redundancy in this country. That costs money, of course.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:04 pm to
buddy those rising prices prevent shortages

There is historical evidence out the arse and to the moon and back that price controls lead to shortages and food deserts
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31158 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:04 pm to
Government control of the consumer economy. Sounds like a great idea.
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