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Pay off Debts or continue to Max Roths?

Posted on 8/7/19 at 5:17 pm
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 5:17 pm
Here's a summary of our outstanding Debts:

Investment Property - 5% int, 9 years remaining (currently pays for itself)
Lot - 5.45% int, 20 years (we were planning to pay this off in ~7 years)
Vehicle - 1.9% int, 5 years

Home - 4.25%, 25 years remaining.

Currently we pay the minimum payment on all 4 of these loans, but both Max Roths each year.

I ran the numbers, if we took the 12K/yr and threw them at our debt, we'd be completely debt free in 10 years, or debt free minus home in 3 years.

Paying off the first 3 frees up $1200/mo.

What do y'all feel is the wiser decision?
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 5:18 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
35362 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 5:28 pm to
Depends on what you want.

You'll be better off in the long run maxing the roths most likely. Then again, having an extra 14.4k/year in cash would be pretty nice.

Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82037 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 5:39 pm to
What is your income prospect for the next few years?

Obviously backdoor would be available, but if you're going to exceed the phase out start or the limit in the near future, then Roth makes even more sense with those fairly manageable interest rates.
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 5:41 pm to
I doubt we'll exceed the threshold in 3 years.
Posted by Popths
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
3968 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 6:58 pm to
Pay off debt. I’ve saved more in my 50’s than I did the rest of my life because I was debt free.
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2821 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 7:40 pm to
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Pay off debt. I’ve saved more in my 50’s than I did the rest of my life because I was debt free.


I’m all for paying of debt but when it is at the expense of investing tax free in a bull market, I’m not so sure it’s the thing to do. The time value of money is huge and the earlier you start saving makes all the difference in the world when you are ready for retirement.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82037 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:01 pm to
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I’ve saved more in my 50’s than I did the rest of my life because I was debt free.
time in the market matters
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41208 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

I doubt we'll exceed the threshold in 3 years.


but with the extra $1200 a month, you'll max out your Roth by the 4th of July
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
12771 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:10 pm to
I think the interest rates are low enough that you should max the Roth rather than pay down the debts. Certainly don’t pay off the car loan at such a cheap rate.
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:13 pm to
Can the investment property be refinanced at a lower rate where you have a higher profit margin? or use the equity in the investment property to lower the rate on the lot? It isn't a bad time to use leverage. What do you plan on doing with the lot?

an extra 20 bucks a month goes a long way over time. reduce spending in a couple spots if you can. Do you have a financial Advisor? Do you have kids? lot more details would help but you should go meet with a Financial Advisor.

Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:15 pm to
max the roth for sure, but on the surface it seems as if there might be a couple things to do to maximize your long term financial goals. In otherwords do you have equity in your investment home if so refinance it since it is paying for itself. Take that equity and put it to work. You could go with something conservative and fixed like preferred stock. Then take those monthly dividends to pay off non-investment property or reinvest it in something else.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 9:23 pm
Posted by Teddy1388
I-10
Member since Aug 2017
699 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:52 pm to
quote:

Pay off Debts or continue to Max Roths
I ask myself the same thing quite often. Not sure who has the answer
Posted by Newgene
Waveland, MS
Member since Nov 2005
7236 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 6:20 am to
Definitely, the lot and the investment property first. Being debt free reduces so much stress in life. Sure, the Roth has a higher chance of upside, but you are taking decent guaranteed money.
Posted by Chris4x4gill2
North Alabama
Member since Nov 2008
3092 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:34 am to
Pay off the car for sure. Then I'd pay off the lower balance of the lot or rental.

Then go back to maxing the Roths and use the freed up cash flow to pay down the house and lot/rental
Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
Member since Mar 2011
12382 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:50 am to
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Pay off the car for sure.


why??? at 1.9%, it's basically free money
Posted by LSU6262
Member since Jun 2008
7494 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

Home - 4.25%, 25 years remaining.



Got any equity in this?

Some banks offer no fee, no closing cost HELOANS under 5%

Consolidate these 2 and rerun numbers

quote:

Investment Property - 5% int, 9 years remaining (currently pays for itself)
Lot - 5.45% int, 20 years (we were planning to pay this off in ~7 years)
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38830 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

Pay off debt. I’ve saved more in my 50’s than I did the rest of my life because I was debt free.


ditto
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
11921 posts
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:25 pm to
Payoff you debt aggressively. Then once it is paid off begin saving your money.

Posted by 3morereps
The Gym
Member since Jun 2015
6735 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 6:36 am to
quote:

Home - 4.25%, 25 years remaining.


refinance this now
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72747 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 8:43 am to
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why??? at 1.9%, it's basically free money




agreed. i am normally for getting vehicles paid off and just milk your low interest house note if you have one but that rate is so low milk it also.

paid my house off back in 2012 but interest was high and didn't pay to refinance with amount left so just paid off.
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