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re: Other than PMI insurance

Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by BehindtheWoodshed
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:31 pm to
I was wondering the same thing.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 12:58 pm to
condos are considered riskier in terms of DQ and foreclosure rates.
Posted by lsu1percent
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:01 pm to
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DO NOT BUY A CONDO!


This is a dumb blanket statement. If he is looking at condos by a university or downtown area than this is a great investment. Buying a condo in Prairieville or Livingston Parish is a bad move I agree.
Posted by Colonel Hapablap
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:01 pm to
understood. But if he went with a regular house, how much would the not-putting-down 20% thing affect his rate/ability to get the loan/etc.?
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:02 pm to
would be same effect. Lower rate depending on lender and u/w's love 20%. They are so spooked that at 5% down they are looking for ways to kill deal.
Posted by HappilyBlended
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:05 pm to
A Single Family Residence is different b/c of a few reasons ...
* You can pick your own HOI. Condo's usually have Home Owners Associations that pay the HOI that they collect from your monthly dues. While most subdivisions have HOA's those HOA's don't usually pay HOI.
* Also a condo usually has a shared wall, so its attached to aonther person's wall. Think about it, if your neighbor is cooking meth and his kitchen explodes, your wall is probably going to be affected or effected.
* When a developer builds a condo, or they convert apartments into condo's they have to get FHA and/or Fannie Mae approved to show that they meet their guidelines. Credit was so fast & easy a couple of years ago that many of the developers didn't take the time or pay the money to get approved. which is why condo financing is so difficult.

I agree with displaced horn, a Single Family Residence is alot easier to finance and usually a much better investment, it will appreciate faster and is MUCH easier to sell when you decide to later on.


1 more thing regarding the MI, FHA requires you to have MI for at least 5 years or until your LTV (Loan to Value) goes below 78%. So, if you get an FHA loan, then pay your principal down to 78% within the 1st few months/years you will STILL have MI, remember you will have it for AT LEAST 5 years.

Hope I was some help, Good luck.
Posted by HappilyBlended
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:07 pm to
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This is a dumb blanket statement. If he is looking at condos by a university or downtown area than this is a great investment. Buying a condo in Prairieville or Livingston Parish is a bad move I agree.


That is an excellent point, and you are correct. I was thinking of condo's outside of the LSU area, i.e. O'Neal Lane, Sherwood, etc ... By LSU would be good b/c you have a steady influx of potential renters each year, but keep in minf you can only have 1 FHA loan at a time. Well, most of the time, there are exceptions.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:13 pm to
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it will appreciate faster and is MUCH easier to sell when you decide to later on.

But if real estate appreciates wouldn't it stand to reason that rent demand would also appreciate?

I'd rather rent the condo if I planned on moving into another house.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:20 pm to
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condos are considered riskier in terms of DQ and foreclosure rates.



OK so this is my situation

I have a credit score in the 740 range
Annual income fluctuates a bit but hovers around 70K
No family or kids
No credit card debt
No student loan debt
Some low interest car debt (14K or so)

Would they really deny me a loan for 77K if I went with an FHA loan? This is something I could pay off in 6 years
Posted by Colonel Hapablap
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 2:15 pm to
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1 more thing regarding the MI, FHA requires you to have MI for at least 5 years or until your LTV (Loan to Value) goes below 78%. So, if you get an FHA loan, then pay your principal down to 78% within the 1st few months/years you will STILL have MI, remember you will have it for AT LEAST 5 years.

is that on a particular kind of loan, or just anything out there?
Posted by Once and Future King
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 2:19 pm to
better interest rate? less money wasted paying interest since principal balance will be lower? less chance of blowing the money elsewhere?



quote:

Powerman
adopt me please, I'll have your babies
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Colonel Hapablap
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 2:21 pm to
thank you dave ramsey.

you are what we like to call a "sucker".
Posted by displacedhorn
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 3:00 pm to
powerman its not you that the lender is worried about as much as the type of property you are buying. condos have a high foreclosure rate due to the amount of condo's bought as investment proopertys and second homes thats why the REQUIRE 20% down for conventional. and yes no matter what on an FHA loan you have to pay PMI for 5 years. thats there rule. plus you have to pay an upfront 1.75% of your loan amount to them that is financed into your loan.
Posted by displacedhorn
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 3:03 pm to
LSU1percent..buying a condo downtown or by LSU is a horrible idea right now. you cant sell condo by LSU right now. Have you seen the massive amount for sale? let me tell you why..because they are over 50% non owner occuppied ..in other words there are to many that are rented out and lenders do not like that. but thanks for assuming you know something about what i do for a living
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2928 posts
Posted on 8/26/09 at 3:21 pm to
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From what I understand you can get pretty competitive rates with an FHA loan

Comment: think you are right.

quote:

And I'd always have the option to refinance by putting more in later right?

Comment: yes but you will have to pay closing costs to refinanace later and if rates go up you will not want to refinance.

quote:

And in this case I would think that the difference in down payment ($13,200) would do me more good to still have in hand.

I could easily make 100 a month in the market on that

Comment: $100 per month on $13,200 is a 9.1% return. I'm not saying you can't get 9.1% but you will have to take some risk. And after you pay your PMI each month you'll only have about half the $100 left. Isn't there some out of pocket upfront fee with PMI as well? I'm not sure so I am asking.

Finally, I'm not arguing with you. Your question simply asked about any advantages other than no PMI of putting 20% down. As someone else mentioned, if you can get a low interest rate you get the most leverage by borrowing as much as someone will lend you. If you can afford it go ahead.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 3:25 pm to
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adopt me please, I'll have your babies


Why would I want to adopt someone to have babies? That makes no sense. And presumably you're a guy anyway.
Posted by displacedhorn
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 4:01 pm to
PHD you are so right you dont even know it.Texas has its own set of mortgage rules to play by. FHA does do townhomes and condos. but there is a difference between a townhome and a condo with FHA. one is attached the other may not be. also townhomes tend to have a smaller number of units than condo's. with FHA its all about the spot approval..which requires a good home owners assocation and a good mortgage broker..
Posted by displacedhorn
batonrouge
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 4:09 pm to
and the condo in question is 80k so i dont know to many mortgage guys that want to take all that on for such a small loan
Posted by lsu1percent
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Posted on 8/27/09 at 4:02 pm to
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you cant sell condo by LSU right now


Hmm I guess i need to tell two of my friends whose parents each just sold their townhouse in Lake beau pre in less than 2 weeks for full asking price. I will let them know they didn't sell.
This post was edited on 8/27/09 at 4:03 pm
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