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Option Traders get in here. Made a small fortune off Apple. Do I stay in?
Posted on 1/3/20 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 1/3/20 at 6:40 pm
I got in not late, but in September I finally gave in and took out options and made a small fortune, by my standards.
Does Apple have more room to run? Is $400 realistic or do I need to short now? I keep hearing about their ‘smartphone business isn’t growing’ and I agree. Outside of AirPods and the potential of tags, is this company going to get it in 2020?
TIA
Does Apple have more room to run? Is $400 realistic or do I need to short now? I keep hearing about their ‘smartphone business isn’t growing’ and I agree. Outside of AirPods and the potential of tags, is this company going to get it in 2020?
TIA
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/3/20 at 6:43 pm to EthanL
I've been in apple since the split, it will go at least to $380. Tell me more about how much you put up and made? The same guy who predicted the top stocks with apple being one of them said apple will be one of the best again...
Posted on 1/3/20 at 6:54 pm to lsu17champ
I deal with options I’m small time and can do only as much as my wife will allow. Back in June I took out (2) options at $3.15 a piece for Apple to hit $240 by January 31... Got semi-cold feet and sold one of them in October, but I kept the other one and sold it last week for 5 grand. In between that time I’ve taken out all kinds of options with strikes of $300, $317, etc all ending January 24th thru 31st. I’m about to sell them and reinvest the profits putting at least half the profits into $350-$420 strike prices that end June of 2020.
I read one prediction of a 40% pullback. Is this a short seller serving his own interest or do I go with Apple?
Man sorry about the typos wow
I read one prediction of a 40% pullback. Is this a short seller serving his own interest or do I go with Apple?
Man sorry about the typos wow
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 1/3/20 at 7:03 pm to EthanL
Nvm. Just saw your other post
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 1/3/20 at 7:26 pm to EthanL
Apple will roll again this year brother. So you bought the options at $320 total per option and made 5k? That's stellar.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 10:06 pm to EthanL
Just roll out and up and take some money off the table. It’s ok to have cash
Posted on 1/5/20 at 5:58 am to b-rab2
imo, is best to treat investing as math...cold. emotionless. black and white math.
figure out where to enter..and where you want to exit.
thats it.
what a trade did for you in past or how much $$ you took from the market is 100% irrelevant to future trades.
if anything treat the noise of people crying about civilization collapse @ bottoms..or bragging about their new porsches @ the tops as just ones of the dozens of signals/indicators you have to decipher (or ignore)
'member the saying..
politics are involved and there is mucho liquidity being injected directly into the market.
right now.. this is not a true market.
is tough being a bear nowadays...bulls continue making $$ and pigs are being rewarded.
it appears the powers that be want the natural boom/busts of a market cycle replaced with a stock market that only goes one one way.. up. up. up.
..and they are getting their way.
current policies definitely affects trading behaviors.
concerning apple.. i think it is a visible company..is is owned by practically every trading desk at every fund/bank
i think it is safe to think they should continue benefiting from qualitative easing regardless of their earnings or products or really anything they do or dont do.
now... buying LEAP calls instead of the actual stock is interesting.
i've never done it...but i can see the benefits.
figure out where to enter..and where you want to exit.
thats it.
what a trade did for you in past or how much $$ you took from the market is 100% irrelevant to future trades.
if anything treat the noise of people crying about civilization collapse @ bottoms..or bragging about their new porsches @ the tops as just ones of the dozens of signals/indicators you have to decipher (or ignore)
'member the saying..
quote:
Bulls Make Money, Bears Make Money, Pigs Get Slaughtered
politics are involved and there is mucho liquidity being injected directly into the market.
right now.. this is not a true market.
is tough being a bear nowadays...bulls continue making $$ and pigs are being rewarded.
it appears the powers that be want the natural boom/busts of a market cycle replaced with a stock market that only goes one one way.. up. up. up.
..and they are getting their way.
current policies definitely affects trading behaviors.
concerning apple.. i think it is a visible company..is is owned by practically every trading desk at every fund/bank
i think it is safe to think they should continue benefiting from qualitative easing regardless of their earnings or products or really anything they do or dont do.
now... buying LEAP calls instead of the actual stock is interesting.
i've never done it...but i can see the benefits.
This post was edited on 1/5/20 at 6:10 am
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:47 pm to EthanL
Congrats on the AAPL trade. That is a serious hold. Do you have the dates correct? I only see AAPL weeklies available as far as 7 weeks out. I don't think they offer weeklies 7 months out since you said you bought the Jan 31 2020 Apple 240 calls back in the middle of June 2019.
Not saying $420 by June 19th, which is when June options expire and the only ones available at this time, is impossible, but that would mean AAPL would've run about 115% since you originally got in the Apple calls this past June.
EthanL before you edited, you wrote
Not saying $420 by June 19th, which is when June options expire and the only ones available at this time, is impossible, but that would mean AAPL would've run about 115% since you originally got in the Apple calls this past June.
EthanL before you edited, you wrote
quote:
I deal with options I’m small time and can do only as much as my wife will allow. Back in June I took out (2) options at $3.15 a piece for Apple to hit $240 by January 31... Got semi-cold feet and sold one of them in October, but I kept the other one and sold it last week for 5 grand. In between that time I’ve taken out all kinds of options with strikes of $300, $317, etc all ending January 24th thru 31st. I’m about to sell them and reinvest the profits putting at least half the profits into $350-$420 strike prices that end June of 2020. I read one prediction of a 40% pullback. Is this a short seller serving his own interest or do I go with Apple? Man sorry about the typos wow
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:32 am to tigerfan4444
quote:
I only see AAPL weeklies available as far as 7 weeks out
you may want to update(upgrade) your broker (and/or trading permissions)
i went out 745 days and AAPL calls expring jan 2022 are available..at reasonable spreads (ie is a liquid market)
hmm...
by buying options...imo we are basically buying "time" to leverage our money.
a jan 2021 ATM call is trading at ~$32
rough calculation you'd need AAPL to increase in price ~ 11-12% JUST to pay for that time (ie time decay...and assuming you sell ~45 days to expiration)
10-12% gets us even...
if it increases more? well thats why people buy calls.
can AAPL increase 12% in price in the next 12 months?
recent history says yes...or maybe "maybe".
hmm..
1+ year options are interesting..
as someone that that sells "time" premium (put options primarily).. i have zero interest in selling that far out. not worth it to me.
(so maybe.. it is beneficial to be a buyer of long tem options. idk)
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 6:37 am
Posted on 1/7/20 at 8:21 am to tigerfan4444
I may not have the dates correctly as it concerns the specific expiration date of the calls I bout back in June.
And you are correct the weekly contracts were not available that far out. I just remember the closer I got to January and the higher Apple got, I became more and more nervous and started taking profit but at the same time buying new call options that all the dates ran together, especially in January.
Right now I’m sitting on April and June options with strike prices of $350 and $420. I’ve been on house money since October so I am not concerned...but then again I am too.
Just as a side point, how do you all feel about Tesla right now?
And you are correct the weekly contracts were not available that far out. I just remember the closer I got to January and the higher Apple got, I became more and more nervous and started taking profit but at the same time buying new call options that all the dates ran together, especially in January.
Right now I’m sitting on April and June options with strike prices of $350 and $420. I’ve been on house money since October so I am not concerned...but then again I am too.
Just as a side point, how do you all feel about Tesla right now?
Posted on 1/7/20 at 8:28 am to lsu17champ
quote:
I've been in apple since the split, it will go at least to $380
Yeah, I sold out at $132 I did turn around some point afterwards and use that money to buy Visa in the upper 60s/low 70s though. IIRC, that's how it happened, I put some in a Vanguard Dividend Fund and the other half in V.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 8:30 am
Posted on 1/7/20 at 8:41 am to windshieldman
Apologize for derailing the thread a bit, but can any of you guys point me in the direction of some good resources for learning about the complexities of options trading?
I understand the basics, but I see you guys mentioning condors, etc and it feels like freshman year when I skipped the whole first week of school
I understand the basics, but I see you guys mentioning condors, etc and it feels like freshman year when I skipped the whole first week of school
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:21 pm to jmcwhrter
#1) Option Alpha with Kirk Du Plessis.
For the beginner to the more advanced options traders, the *free* resources there are unmatched, IMO. His primary focus is on option selling. He also has a podcast which is available on iTunes and Google Play, as well as other places.
Even if you decide to trade instruments other than ETFs (which he does and I don’t), you can still learn SO much.
#2) TastyTrade with Tom Sosnoff.
Similar to Option Alpha, but maybe a little harder to follow in the very beginning. But still, another great resource. In fact, Kirk’s premium selling methodology is largely based on that of Tom Sosnoff/TastyTrade. As a side note, Sosnoff was a cofounder of Think or Swim.
For the beginner to the more advanced options traders, the *free* resources there are unmatched, IMO. His primary focus is on option selling. He also has a podcast which is available on iTunes and Google Play, as well as other places.
Even if you decide to trade instruments other than ETFs (which he does and I don’t), you can still learn SO much.
#2) TastyTrade with Tom Sosnoff.
Similar to Option Alpha, but maybe a little harder to follow in the very beginning. But still, another great resource. In fact, Kirk’s premium selling methodology is largely based on that of Tom Sosnoff/TastyTrade. As a side note, Sosnoff was a cofounder of Think or Swim.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:29 pm to jmcwhrter
You can read all you want about options, but until you play the game, you won't quite understand it.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:52 pm to mrgreenpants
mrgreenpants -- are you for real? Do you know what weekly options are? Today the furthest out weekly options that anyone can buy in AAPL are in February of 2020.
The Jan 2022s that you refer to are the regular monthlies that expire on the third Friday, just like the ones in April 2020, July 2020, and September 2020 are the monthlies. There are no weekly options available in March and no AAPL options are available yet that expire in May, October, November, and December -- not even the monthlies.
The OP mentioned that he had purchased AAPL options in the middle of June that expired on 31 January 2020. The only options in January available to him in June were the ones that expire two Fridays from now on Jan 17, 2020. I was suspicious since they don't offer weeklies 7 months out. The OP confirmed in a follow up post that the weeklies were not offered 7 months out.
quote:
you may want to update(upgrade) your broker (and/or trading permissions)
The Jan 2022s that you refer to are the regular monthlies that expire on the third Friday, just like the ones in April 2020, July 2020, and September 2020 are the monthlies. There are no weekly options available in March and no AAPL options are available yet that expire in May, October, November, and December -- not even the monthlies.
The OP mentioned that he had purchased AAPL options in the middle of June that expired on 31 January 2020. The only options in January available to him in June were the ones that expire two Fridays from now on Jan 17, 2020. I was suspicious since they don't offer weeklies 7 months out. The OP confirmed in a follow up post that the weeklies were not offered 7 months out.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:04 pm to tigerfan4444
fair enough..
i was wondering why you were talking about weeklies..
(i didnt see any mention of weeklies...at least not in the original post)
but also..
i freely admit that i didnt actually look very closely at the posts or care enough to be suspicious or not.
i also admit i'm not a finance professional and i have literally *zero* formal business training.
..so there is much i dont know (which again was why i felt a conversation on LEAP was(is) worth having)
i was wondering why you were talking about weeklies..
(i didnt see any mention of weeklies...at least not in the original post)
but also..
i freely admit that i didnt actually look very closely at the posts or care enough to be suspicious or not.
i also admit i'm not a finance professional and i have literally *zero* formal business training.
..so there is much i dont know (which again was why i felt a conversation on LEAP was(is) worth having)
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:57 pm to EthanL
1.3T Market Cap and 25% in cash.
I can't believe there is that much being made on phones and tablets. Consumer electronics company.
I can't believe there is that much being made on phones and tablets. Consumer electronics company.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:06 pm to kywildcatfanone
You’re missing the services side that is going very fast
Edit: also their massive stock buyback
Edit: also their massive stock buyback
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:02 am to mrgreenpants
You're right. The OP was confusing with his edited posts.
I was responding to the OP, but on the third post in the thread. He had edited his post that mentioned the AAPL options expiring on Jan 24 and 31st.
I think the OP got super lucky. I've had mixed results trading AAPL options, but they were all short term. There is no way I would've had the balls to have held that long. If I buy an option that expires two months out, my goal is to NOT ride it to expiration.
All good
I was responding to the OP, but on the third post in the thread. He had edited his post that mentioned the AAPL options expiring on Jan 24 and 31st.
I think the OP got super lucky. I've had mixed results trading AAPL options, but they were all short term. There is no way I would've had the balls to have held that long. If I buy an option that expires two months out, my goal is to NOT ride it to expiration.
All good
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:32 am to EthanL
Always buy Apple as a long term investment. I said that five years ago hereon and have said it up again from time to time.It’s a great company, with a reasonable PE. I try to buy 10 shares a quarter.
You traded it so that’s different and you made money on your trade. That’s a big plus for you.
You traded it so that’s different and you made money on your trade. That’s a big plus for you.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 10:34 am
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