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re: Official CryptoTalk Thread

Posted on 7/10/22 at 6:47 pm to
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 6:47 pm to
Have there been any coordinated attacks or just random validators misbehaving?
Posted by FnTigers
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 6:49 pm to
quote:

Have there been any coordinated attacks or just random validators misbehaving?
hard to say. I'm sure the devs are behind some of the tests.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 6:51 pm to
I think it's just people losing interest since it's test net.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 7:02 pm to
Probably a mix.

I wanna run a testnet validator for a couple of chains that I use testnets for, faucets can be a pain
Posted by FnTigers
Member since Sep 2021
2621 posts
Posted on 7/10/22 at 7:14 pm to
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I think it's just people losing interest since it's test net.
Actually, this wasn't recently. It was a few months back. Chain is running great with solid validators across the board.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 7:30 pm to
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and introduces proof of stake while retaining ETH’s security.
This is the one thing I will disagree with. POS will never be the same level of security as POW.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/10/22 at 10:12 pm to
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POS will never be the same level of security as POW.


POS has been pretty battle tested.

As recently as 2 years ago BTC had an inflation bug discovered.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 8:15 am to
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As recently as 2 years ago BTC had an inflation bug discovered.


Bugs found on POW have a better chance of not fricking the system vs POS. With POS design, validators are not anywhere near as spread out as hash mining.

For example, if the "bug" was never patched, you would still need 51% of the nextwork hash to do anything with the bug.

This means it would take 51% of the miners to "decide" to frick themselves. This, in my view, is why POW is superior. In addition to bugs/hacks, you need to control the hash power as well.

As opposed to POS in which the validator is randomly selected; POW relies on the entire network validating the transaction. Therefore, on POS, you dont need to meet the 51% threshold of "validators" to run a hack/bug/exploits.

There are for sure tradeoffs in both approaches. Both have their merits and issues.

Like for example, BNB. POS but it works well. The sacrifice is heavy validator centralization, however, cheap and fast. Always a tradeoff in most things.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 8:23 am
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/11/22 at 8:29 am to
Yes, both have their merits. I'm not knocking POS - it serves a purpose and is more efficient but it isn't as secure. With that said, the difference in security may be a nonissue and we don't see any problems arise from it. Just looking at a granular level, it isn't as secure.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 8:36 am to
Yea and so far, POS chains are basically a "company" and the majority of validators for these chains are somewhat centralized within these "companies" groups. Again, not always bad.

BTC is just a living organism. A POS chain can 100% emulate BTC in that regard with a bigger validator footprint not centralized would be a true next step IMO.

And I agree with you as well. I use BNB almost exclusively for DEFI because its cheap. I also recognize that its heavily centralized.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 8:37 am
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29633 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 8:44 am to
From Bloomberg:

Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:41 am to
Totally agree with both of you.

I believe PoS will centralize Ethereum L1 significantly more than it is now, unless they do something about it. Lowering ETH threshold to stake would be one way.. At 32ETH, people will join pools for fractional staking and, unless those looks are properly decentralized (rocketpool, for example), we will have 4-5 centralized pools responsible for the majority of validation, and that is not ideal IMO. I don't know what the plans are to combat that. Tbh though that doesn't look a whole lot different than mining pools now, but the barrier to entry is much higher under PoS.

With PoW, one may not be profitable but all you need is a gfx card to mine and some cpu and storage, and you can run a node, if you so choose.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 9:44 am
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29370 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:23 pm to
Voyager update

TL;DR: All your base are belong to us

quote:

Last Friday, Voyager presented what are referred to as “First Day Motions” as part of our Chapter 11 filing to the U.S Bankruptcy Court. We were granted the relief requested. This was the first step in the restructuring process, which is intended to address the company’s financial circumstances and allow us to resume normal operations.

We know you have many questions, and we are moving swiftly to give you answers. Below and in this more detailed blog post, we’ve tried to respond to your most pressing inquiries.

How does the reorganization process impact my cash?

We are working to restore access to USD deposits. Customer USD belongs to customers and will return to those same customers, subject to a reconciliation and fraud prevention process.

Is the USD in my account FDIC insured?

Yes. USD in your Voyager cash account is held at Metropolitan Commercial Bank of New York (“MCB”) and is FDIC insured. That means you are covered in the event of MCB’s failure, up to a maximum of $250,000 per Voyager customer. FDIC insurance does not protect against the failure of Voyager, but to be clear: Voyager does not hold customer cash, that cash is held at MCB.

What will happen to the crypto in my account?

Voyager currently has approximately $1.3 billion of crypto assets on its platform, plus claims against Three Arrows Capital ("3AC") of more than $650 million (it fluctuates due to the exchange rate between Bitcoin and USD).

Under Voyager’s proposed reorganization plan, which is subject to change and requires Court approval, customers will receive a combination of the following, with the ability to select the proportion of crypto and common equity they receive, subject to certain maximum thresholds:

Pro-rata share of crypto;
Pro-rata share of proceeds from the 3AC recovery;
Pro-rata share of common shares in the newly reorganized Company;
and Pro-rata share of existing Voyager tokens.

This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45134 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 1:07 pm to
We are struggling at 21k. 10k is reasonable.
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
14868 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 1:08 pm to
10k would be awesome.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10676 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 3:02 pm to
Consensus often doesn’t happen, but who knows.

Curious if anyone has looked into the found Mtgox bitcoin being released sometime in august. Hearing rumblings that as much as 135,000 bitcoin could be dumped into the market.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29370 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

Consensus often doesn’t happen, but who knows.


so true. Consensus said we would be at $100k by now. I'm locked and loaded for $10k, but I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42353 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 7:26 pm to
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Curious if anyone has looked into the found Mtgox bitcoin being released sometime in august.


Yeah but I heard they are only giving the same market value at the time of the hack.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29633 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:23 pm to
Im close to finalizing my diversification plan. Any critiques?

28% BTC
22% ETH
11% MATIC
11% SOL
11% DOT
6.5% AVAX
6.5% ADA
4% LINK
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5084 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:37 pm to
quote:

Im close to finalizing my diversification plan. Any critiques?


I guess that would depend on your goals. The list is solid but none of those are going to 100x next cycle.

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