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Next Round of PPP Loans - Info Inside - Updated 1/8/21
Posted on 12/21/20 at 8:07 am
Posted on 12/21/20 at 8:07 am
It appears that another round of PPP loans is coming for those in need. From what I've read you have to show a loss of 30% of revenue in at least one quarter matched up to the same quarter in 2019.
I've received an email from the small bank in Texas that helped so many of us earlier in the year. He has indicated that they are prepared to offer additional funding this round exceeding the amount lended earlier this year.
Send me an email at bill@ccillcva.com if you will be looking to get a PPP loan and you fear that your current will or has let you down in the past.
There is zero personal gain for me in this other than trying to help business owners in need get the help they need.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you.
1/8/21 Update
NOTE: Only community financial institutions starting next week and only 1st time PPP applicants Monday and Tuesday. Get your paperwork together and get it in before they open the portal to the big banks and they bog down the system.
I've received an email from the small bank in Texas that helped so many of us earlier in the year. He has indicated that they are prepared to offer additional funding this round exceeding the amount lended earlier this year.
Send me an email at bill@ccillcva.com if you will be looking to get a PPP loan and you fear that your current will or has let you down in the past.
There is zero personal gain for me in this other than trying to help business owners in need get the help they need.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you.
1/8/21 Update
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SBA AND TREASURY OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCE PPP RE-OPENING
Moments ago, SBA and Treasury officially announced the PPP will re-open the week of January 11 for new borrowers and certain existing borrowers. To promote access to capital, initially only community financial institutions will be able to make First Draw PPP Loans on Monday, January 11, and Second Draw PPP Loans on Wednesday, January 13. The PPP will open to all participating lenders shortly thereafter. Read the SBA's News Release HERE.
NOTE: Only community financial institutions starting next week and only 1st time PPP applicants Monday and Tuesday. Get your paperwork together and get it in before they open the portal to the big banks and they bog down the system.
This post was edited on 1/8/21 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/21/20 at 8:19 am to VABuckeye
1) The borrower must demonstrate that there was a 30% reduction from the gross receipts of the entity during the same quarter in 2019.
2) For the purposes of this 30% rule, gross receipts will include all revenues from the normal operation of the business before subtraction of expenses but will not include amounts borrowed, including amounts received for PPP loans.
3) The borrower must employ no more than 300 employees, or meet an alternative size standard.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 8:21 am to SippyCup
Thank you for the clarification.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 8:33 am to VABuckeye
I have a few clients who will not be happy. Revenue is down less than 30% but their expenses due to PP, sanitation, etc have caused their net to be down more than 30%.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 8:57 am to VABuckeye
Anything for independent contractors this time, or just businesses?
Posted on 12/21/20 at 9:35 am to wickowick
I believe so as it includes gig and freelance workers.
PPP language begin on page 25. New Stimulus Bill
PPP language begin on page 25. New Stimulus Bill
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:01 am to VABuckeye
Any word if the 1st PPP loan will still be taxable?
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 11:01 am
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:05 am to PrettyLights
Not taxable per the language in the new bill.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:19 am to VABuckeye
Thanks for the information. Has the bill be approved yet?
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:32 am to PrettyLights
Preliminary bill passed and signed on Sunday. My understanding is that it should be finalized quickly as all parties have agreed to terms.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:43 am to VABuckeye
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show a loss of 30% of revenue in at least one quarter matched up to the same quarter in 2019.
This is a really shitty metric if you're in a startup or if your book of business changed during the year.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:57 am to VABuckeye
I am a seasonal employer with my busy season being February through May. For the purposes of demonstrating a 30% reduction in any one quarter, does this have to mean a traditional quarter, or could I use March 1 through May 31 as the evaluation period?
Thanks for your info and input.
Thanks for your info and input.
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 12/21/20 at 12:04 pm to PrettyLights
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This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 12/21/20 at 12:18 pm to TheWalkoff
My understanding is that they will allow you to deduct the expenses
Posted on 12/21/20 at 12:20 pm to FinleyStreet
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This is a really shitty metric if you're in a startup or if your book of business changed during the year.
There are provisions to account for different circumstances.
ETA: The 30% less revenue in a quarter does cover most businsses with traditional cask flow. It covers most businesses and let's hope it also helps those with less traditional businesses.
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 12/21/20 at 12:21 pm to lsufan209
My understanding is Q1 vs Q1, etc. However there do seem to be some provisions for differing circumstances and types of businesses.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 12:27 pm to VABuckeye
More specific language.
quote:
Eligible Entities Have a Second Chance to Receive a PPP Loan
Many borrowers have requested a second round of PPP loans, and many potential borrowers who were unable to receive a PPP loan during the first round would like to have access to a PPP loan. The proposed bill allows new and old borrowers to receive a PPP loan if they meet the requirements of an “eligible entity.”
An “eligible entity” will need to satisfy the “Necessity Test” that is discussed in my blog post dated May 4, 2020 “Was Your PPP Loan ‘Necessary’? If Not, There Could Be Horrific Repercussions” as of the time of applying for this new second loan. This test, which is based upon whether the loan is “necessary to support the on-going operations of the applicant” will be hard to meet by businesses that have survived one or two hard quarters but are now making ends meet while waiting for the vaccines to clear our economy up. The test will clearly not be passed by a high percentage of PPP borrowers who will otherwise qualify, and will present a very important issue to be carefully addressed with the borrower’s CPA, financial and legal advisors. While the SBA has announced that it will not question the necessity issue for those who have aggregate borrowings not exceeding $2 million, other agencies, or even whistleblowers, may, and the fact that a second loan has been received will not be kept confidential.
Assuming that the necessity test will be met, the next question is whether the PPP borrower is an “eligible entity” which the bill defines as a Schedule C taxpayer (but apparently not a Schedule E landlord or a Schedule F farmer), an LLC or other entity treated as an S corporation or partnership that meets the following requirements:
The borrower must demonstrate that there was a 30% reduction from the gross receipts of the entity during the same quarter in 2019.
For the purposes of this 30% rule, gross receipts will include all revenues from the normal operation of the business before subtraction of expenses but will not include amounts borrowed, including amounts received for PPP loans.
The borrower must employ no more than 300 employees, or meet an alternative size standard.
The proposed Rubio-Collins bill (“HEALS Act”) that did not pass, would have required a 50 percent reduction from gross receipts, so this change to 30 percent in the “Emergency Coronavirus Relief Act of 2020" will allow PPP loans to reach a greater number of potential borrowers.
For purposes of the above 30% reduction in gross receipts test, borrowers who were not in business during the first, second, or third quarter of 2019 (January 1 - September 30), but were in business during the fourth quarter of 2019 (October 1 - December 31), can compare the first, second, or third quarter of 2020 (January 1 - September 30) to the fourth quarter of 2019.
If the entity was not in business during 2019 but was in business by February 15, 2020, then such borrower can compare their gross receipts during the second or third quarter of 2020 (April 1 - June 30) to the first quarter of 2020 (January 1 - March 30) to see if they qualify.
Please contact us with questions as they may arrive and we will do our best to get you an answer. Until then, standby for future updates.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:39 pm to TheWalkoff
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From what I understand, once you get the loan forgiven, it’s treated similar to a government grant, which isn’t taxable. However, you cannot deduct the expenses you used the grant for, so it does still have tax implications.
There is language in this bill clarifying that the expenses PPP covered are still deductible.
I should say the reported language in the bill since I haven't actually read it.
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:05 pm to VABuckeye
I did not take out a first PPP so will definitely be applying this go around. As I understand, there is a set aside for first time PPP borrowers. Wasnt too sure how the first round would go back in April but now I am pretty comfortable taking the loan from the govt. Has anyone been forgiven yet?
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:09 pm to BamaAlum02
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There is language in this bill clarifying that the expenses PPP covered are still deductible.
I should say the reported language in the bill since I haven't actually read it.
I've read it. It handles this in two sections.
1) It specifically states that forgiveness is not considered gross income.
2) It specifically states "no deduction, tax attribute, or basis increase" shall be denied because of the fact that forgiveness is not considered gross income.
This is the fix we have been waiting for. It also clarifies that the EIDL "grants" are under the same framework.
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