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re: NASDAQ minus 15% Year To Date

Posted on 1/28/22 at 6:55 am to
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 6:55 am to
hes def one of the best counter trades on the site
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
86341 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 6:55 am to
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I’m off almost 80% since the summer
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9542 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 6:56 am to

Precious metals holding steady .... down 1.2% YTD
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 7:05 am to
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Not looking any better this morning.

Oh no
Midterms need to come asap
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15765 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 7:23 am to
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I’m just burying my head and not looking at stocks for about 6 months


May need to do the same. Come back in 6-12 months and DCA my demolished buys from last year. I own all good Companies minus a few growth stocks but at least i didnt buy those at their highs.
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 7:25 am
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
15915 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:00 am to
I own a gold bit of the qqq and it’s gotten hammered but I’m eyeing another opportunity to buy more

One thing I’m certain of. Tech is going to be a big growth area for the next 20 years. CEO’s if tech companies don’t sit around watching or talking about the 10 year treasury yield. It’s essentially irrelevant to them
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
6558 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:52 am to
I thought Apple was going to save the market but damn I was wrong
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2931 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:08 am to
I just keep buying SOXL and TQQQ. When this craziness is over, it will be glorious.

We will always need semiconductors and Nasdaq will always rebound.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24510 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:18 am to
Yesterday while driving home for lunch I was listening to CNBC. They had an analyst on talking about HOOD before earnings. I told myself I was going to short it when I got back to the office. Well, I forgot and........yeah. I may still short it, but I think they will get acquired.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:57 am to
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bought 100 shares of QYLD this morning so it's my fault for the drop today.


The infatuation with QYLD around here is a little perplexing. Definitely better than not buying at all, but still perplexing.
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
6558 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 11:12 am to
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Definitely better than not buying at all, but still perplexing.


Why?
Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3674 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 3:24 pm to
Pretty nice day today
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
4952 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 3:40 pm to
i bought more, if the year is going to be somewhat flat, i have to cost avg to make up the big losses i have right now.
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
21078 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 4:54 pm to
Hear ya - but it’s approaching all time lows - although it’s history is not terribly long

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 5:09 pm to
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Why?


Because it’s a poor risk-return strategy and has unpredictable income.

QYLD, despite it’s 11% dividend, is flat over the last 12 months even with the dividend reinvested.

You don’t get the rising income of dividend growth stocks, you don’t get the predictable income of traditional value stocks, and you don’t get the upside and tax favorability of growth stocks in the Nasdaq 100 outright. You get a combination of the worst of all 3 - Nasdaq like volatility with unpredictable, unfavorably taxes distributions.

Just a bad deal over any extended period of time.
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
26226 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 5:17 pm to
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What in the world did you invest in?
I’m wondering the same.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15765 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 7:58 pm to
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What in the world did you invest in?


If got into stocks in the last year or two you would have been fed growth stocks is where to park your money. You could have bought near or at the highs. Think Ark type stocks. If you bought those 6 months to a year ago and are holding now then you are down big. ROKU, SE, ZOOM, Upst just to name a few. So really not that hard to believe if you didnt bail out after being down 10% or made a quick profit after getting in early.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10709 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:05 pm to
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You don’t get the rising income of dividend growth stocks, you don’t get the predictable income of traditional value stocks, and you don’t get the upside and tax favorability of growth stocks in the Nasdaq 100 outright. You get a combination of the worst of all 3 - Nasdaq like volatility with unpredictable, unfavorably taxes distributions.


Anyone buying QYLD in taxable accounts should re-think what they are doing. QYLD has exhibited lower volatility than QQQ, but I question whether investors recognize that a significant portion of the distributions are return of capital due to its stated objective to pay a specific amount each month and if the distribution earned is significantly lower than the required amount one receives additional ROC. I suppose some months it may out earn the distribution, but still believe ROC supports many months. I do own some QYLD in a Roth and maintain specific buy prices, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to other holdings.

Added Feb 1 distribution link, entire distro is ROC:
QYLD Feb 1 2022 info

Eh, the above was December info, YTD 2022 is still 99.6% ROC.
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 8:31 pm
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31763 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:46 pm to
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SE


Killing me. SE is my largest holding and I made several purchases in $200-$320 range. This bag is heavy and it’s likely going to be for a long long time. I guess this was an expensive lesson but one I’m sure many have had to learn.
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 9:38 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 11:30 pm to
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Anyone buying QYLD in taxable accounts should re-think what they are doing. QYLD has exhibited lower volatility than QQQ, but I question whether investors recognize that a significant portion of the distributions are return of capital due to its stated objective to pay a specific amount each month and if the distribution earned is significantly lower than the required amount one receives additional ROC.


I’d imagine 90%+ of retail owners have no clue how the distributions work.

50% or 2018 distributions were ROC and the other half were short term gains/ordinary income. 85% of 2019 was ordinary income and short term gains. 100% of 2020 was return of capital.

If you want less volatility than the Nasdaq, but similar performance gains to QYLD, look at DGRO. At least you know what you’re getting, you know it’s going up over time, and you know the tax treatment and whatnot. If you want long term growth buy the QQQs outright - QQQM is slightly cheaper than QQQ. QYLD is a crappy compromise that basically relies on investors not knowing what they own and simply focusing on the high yield nature of it. Any strategy paying 10%+ should be met with a hefty amount of scrutiny.
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