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MT advice for 25 year old

Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:58 am
Posted by Freeze_Warning
Member since Dec 2014
19 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:58 am
I'm a 25 year old engineer making 85k/yr that is looking for some financial advice since i don't really deal with finance too much.

Currently keep 5k in checking and 10k in savings.
Contributing 7% to a 401K that is at 16k & randomly put money in a vanguard roth that is at 3k

I have a 21k car note i'm paying on, and 20k in student loans that i'm currently paying 400 a month on @ 4.2%. (about 15k paid off in the last 3 years)
Paying 850 for rent in Atlanta area. No CC debt.

Any advise on how to maximize my earnings/savings?
Investment strategies?
Should I be paying more on Student Loans or saving up for house?


Thanks
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12123 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:16 am to
Engineer myself and I will just share a few simple thoughts.

1. Was told at about your age it isn't about how much you invest but about how soon you start investing. While it is also about how much you invest, the point the person was trying to make was to not wait to start investing.

2. Personally, I would max out my Roth and never go less than a 10% match on my 401k. I would cut expenses before I would drop below 10%. (Really need a $21k car note).

3. I hate paying rent, but homes are expensive in that area. I know large towns are attractive after college, but if you have job opportunities in areas with lower cost of living and can have debt paid and more money saved, it makes living in a large city more enjoyable.

Great job on the no CC debt. Best of luck to you.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:16 am to
I’d pay off student loans and truck before buying a house. When it’s time to buy a truck again, get a used one at a good price you can easily afford. Keep putting in 401k and Roth.
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 10:18 am
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
3921 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:20 am to
i'd make paying off the student loans my priority. you have a ton of disposable income right now, and that is only going to diminish as you get married and start a family (if you go that route). i'd shoot to pay at least $1k/mo. i'd also consider using the $10k in savings to make a large payment if your job is relatively secure. i had large student loans, and paying them off was the best feeling. the house can wait. you're so young and i assume unmarried. better to keep the flexibility of renting imo.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:29 am to
10% in 401
Max hsa if you have one
Max roth
Pay off student loans then save towards house down payment if you want to buy eventually
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12123 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:32 am to
quote:

Max hsa if you have one

Should have added this to my advice... great point.
Posted by Freeze_Warning
Member since Dec 2014
19 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:40 am to
Thanks for all the responses.
I currently bum off my parents Health Insurance but haven't been to the doctor in years. I believe with my company if you don't use whats in the Health Savings account you lose it. (Why i don't contribute, but i will be off my parents in a year)

Definitely going to try to contribute more to my Roth now that I have somewhat of a stable rainy day fund
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Health Savings account you lose it. (Why i don't contribute, but i will be off my parents in a year)
That would be a Flexible Spending Account (FSA); HSA’s carry over and can turn into essentially retirement accounts later in life.
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
19677 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:00 am to
You don't really have a lot of room for more investment opportunity.

Let's say after taxes, loans, car payment, and roth/401k you are left with 40K.

10k towards rent puts you at 30K. Maybe after living expenses you have $15K to invest? I would just work on saving that towards a house.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9372 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:30 am to
quote:

That would be a Flexible Spending Account (FSA); HSA’s carry over and can turn into essentially retirement accounts later in life.


Find out if your employer health insurance is a high deductible health plan (HDHP) and offers an HSA. If it's not an HDHP, then you probably will not be elibible for the HSA and its associated benefits (not to be confused with the FSA described above... it may be called something else like a Health Spending Account.. different than a Health Savings Account).

If eligible, now is the perfect time to dump money into the HSA (savings) account while you are young and at low risk of having medical expenses. I wish it were available to me 15 years ago. See what the investment options are within it and max it out if you can (within the context of the other advice in this thread).
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 11:31 am
Posted by Roberteaux
mandeville
Member since Sep 2009
5809 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:38 am to
quote:

I hate paying rent, but homes are expensive in that area. I know large towns are attractive after college, but if you have job opportunities in areas with lower cost of living and can have debt paid and more money saved, it makes living in a large city more enjoyable.


Not that I know much about Atlanta, but $850/month seems very reasonable for rent. I mean a very average single bedroom apartment here in Mandeville would go for about $950. If you're talking something nice, over $1k
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 11:39 am
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7836 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 12:38 pm to
So I was in the exact same situation at 25. Also an engineer making comparable money.

I paid things off in the following order:

Truck: high interest rate and I had to by one due to the old one dying on me.

Student loans: just couldn't stand lighting money on fire in the form of interest (6.5% average)

Home purchase. No need to over do it here. Eventually a woman will come along and hate it and want another one. So I bought for resale value and proximity to work.

Finally, while I had been contributing to retirement accounts, I had not maxed out. Just hit that point a few months ago. I'm 29 FWIW.

Someone also said HSA. One of the best decisions you will make as a young healthy single dude.



Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4415 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 1:00 pm to
You're in a good situation. My only advice is to automate your retirement investments (and at least some of your taxable savings, too). Set up automatic monthly bank transfers to your roth, don't try to handle it 'randomly.'

With your salary, I'd also make a big effort to max out your 401 and roth.

Posted by Freeze_Warning
Member since Dec 2014
19 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 1:18 pm to
Thanks everyone, feel like i have a decent base to work from.

My car gave out on me so I was forced to buy a truck but interest is only 2.1% so I don't think its terrible debt.

I'll definitely look into the HSA that is one thing I haven't looked into.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24149 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 2:17 pm to
We need to make a post that lays this out for anyone your age. Financial well-being at your age is a very formulaic process where there is a pretty clear pathway of do A/B/C/D in this order.

Don't worry about home ownership for awhile. Your total housing expense is less than $1K right now and you maintain the flexibility of neighborhood changes and/or job mobility if you desire.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 2:23 pm to
Start a Workshop spread where we can all pitch in and we can then sticky a compiled, finished version.

This would eliminate like 5-10% of the MT threads
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89534 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

Currently keep 5k in checking and 10k in savings.


That seems very reasonable.

quote:

Contributing 7% to a 401K


You definitely want to do enough to get your full match on the 401k.

quote:

I have a 21k car note i'm paying on, and 20k in student loans that i'm currently paying 400 a month on @ 4.2%. (about 15k paid off in the last 3 years)


I would focus on retiring the student loans, first.

quote:

Paying 850 for rent in Atlanta area.


I assume you figure to be moving a lot until you get settled in your 30s. That's fine. When the family time starts, you will feel compelled to buy a home. I would start saving that downpayment now. You can do that, to a degree, with a ROTH IRA.

quote:

randomly put money in a vanguard roth that is at 3k


You're young and ahead of the game, so this is not criticism - you need a plan outside of "randomly" - something you can stick with. If that's $20 a paycheck, fine. Do that until you can commit $30 or more. Ideally, you are putting 15 to 20 percent towards your retirement. That's a habit that will have you at least realistically planning retirement (if not actively contemplating it) in your 50s while your peers are sweating out if they can live until SS kicks in.

The difference is made now - with compound interest - and time in the market CANNOT BE MADE UP in your 40s and 50s. Your contributions will just get higher and higher to try to meet your goals then, when starting now would have made it all so simple.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 3:26 pm to
You will enjoy life much better if you are debt free.

My suggestion: Contribute enough to get the company match on your 401k and throw the rest of it at your student loan. After the loan is paid off then pay off the auto. Then start investing (I would then max out a Vangaurd Roth IRA).

It is a great feeling not sending money out each month to a lender. That constant nagging weight you have each month about what you owe? Gone! Then you have real financial freedom.
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
2930 posts
Posted on 5/25/19 at 1:03 am to
Not An engineer but started out in oil and gas at 25 and put in 8-10% and have had a 8% match my entire career.
You will be fine on the path your on keep your 401k maxed out don’t stress out over a car note or the school debt but try to get school paid out in the next 3-5 yrs. Each year spilt your raises into thirds 1/3 long term savings 1/3 short term 1/3 hookers and blow. Jk on the last but use it for cost of living an better living. Don’t focus on retirement and building wealth so much that you miss on on the good stuff for the next 25yrs. If you continue excel in your career and do not get laid off do not get any debt other than House and car and don’t marry a big money spender or get a divorce you will be sitting pretty at 60.
Posted by Freeze_Warning
Member since Dec 2014
19 posts
Posted on 5/31/19 at 10:41 am to
My company doesn't offer a HSA. Does it make sense to set one up outside of work?
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