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re: Life as a Lawyer Advice Needed
Posted on 3/29/24 at 6:53 pm to Dayman
Posted on 3/29/24 at 6:53 pm to Dayman
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Law school doesn’t matter (unless it is southern) if you want to practice at any big firm in New Orleans.
I"ll never understand New Orleans pretending Loyola gets any better of student than Southern
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Posted on 3/29/24 at 6:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They have over produced for the market, hence all the scummy ambulance chasing commercials.
Bruh what? You see so many of those people b/c, regardless of its status as a social pathology or not, they print money if they can get clients in.
Always have to laugh at the people that believe the only thing you can do with a law degree is be an attorney and/or ambulance chaser.
Could not tell you the number of people I have met over my career that are C-suite people, business owners, decision makers in the government (not including politicians), etc. that have law degrees.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 7:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I"ll never understand New Orleans pretending Loyola gets any better of student than Southern
The top 25% of Loyola produces some great lawyers. The school (likely for financial reasons) accepts a lot of students who are not qualified for law school.
I’d venture to say most of the top students at Loyola were also accepted to LSU, but decided to go to Loyola because they are from New Orleans or got a bigger scholarship.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:58 pm to OleVaught14
Nope. Medical schools totally different and step scores will drive residency match (not counting Carribean BS). Business school is more forgiving, can be T25 and do well. Law? T14 or you better be damn sure you are top of class. Accounting? lol no one cares about an accounting schools rank bud
Posted on 3/30/24 at 12:53 am to Unsettled
Unless she wants to practice in Louisiana DO NOT send her to LSU!!!
Posted on 3/30/24 at 1:21 am to Unsettled
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Life as a Lawyer Advice Needed
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Unsettled
name checks out.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 2:58 am to Unsettled
She could possibly hate her life having to live long term after graduation in BR/Nola. Not to mention having to raise a family here.
For the most part, only those that grew up around here is okay with it.
For the most part, only those that grew up around here is okay with it.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 3:01 am
Posted on 3/30/24 at 5:26 am to Unsettled
If she finishes in the top of her class at LSU she will make much more than 60-70k. Try 125k and as much as 225k in Houston.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:35 am to Ace Midnight
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Are there folks doing well who don't have those things going for them?
Do you see attorneys who don't have these things going for them struggling to make a living? Is the debt they incurred getting a law degree a big factor? Or are they just not finding jobs period?
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:44 am to Unsettled
Everyone that has said only go to LSU if she wants to be in LA is correct. Also, just know that she will need to be top 20% at LSU to have a shot at most of the jobs that pay low six figures starting out. There is no guarantee she will rank that high, and it’s much more likely she won’t.
If keeping costs under control is a concern, I would look at Georgia State. In addition, if she’s getting that kind of scholarship money at UT, she could have an outside shot at getting into UGA. As others have noted, LSAT and GPA would be good to know here to assess this and other options. With in state tuition and proximity to the ATL legal market, I think these would be better options even without scholarships.
Another idea is that if she really likes UT or USC, there’s nothing wrong with contacting the admissions office and letting them know about your scholarship offers elsewhere. Some schools will play ball and up the scholarships, some won’t. The worst they can say is no. However, one of them could bite and up her to a full ride.
It’s smart to think about the cost savings at this point, but your daughter has already passed the biggest hurdle by not having to resort to a law school that will require 100k+ in debt. 35k in loans at the end of the day is not a killer even if she’s making somewhat of a modest 75K salary coming out.
If keeping costs under control is a concern, I would look at Georgia State. In addition, if she’s getting that kind of scholarship money at UT, she could have an outside shot at getting into UGA. As others have noted, LSAT and GPA would be good to know here to assess this and other options. With in state tuition and proximity to the ATL legal market, I think these would be better options even without scholarships.
Another idea is that if she really likes UT or USC, there’s nothing wrong with contacting the admissions office and letting them know about your scholarship offers elsewhere. Some schools will play ball and up the scholarships, some won’t. The worst they can say is no. However, one of them could bite and up her to a full ride.
It’s smart to think about the cost savings at this point, but your daughter has already passed the biggest hurdle by not having to resort to a law school that will require 100k+ in debt. 35k in loans at the end of the day is not a killer even if she’s making somewhat of a modest 75K salary coming out.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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We have a lot of mediocre and dumb people who get law degrees via our state schools + Loyola
Thanks for proving my point that law schools have overproduced for the market.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:28 am to Unsettled
There’s a reason why LSU offered 100%. I love my Tigers and I’m an alum (not law school but BA) but would recommend both of her other options.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 1:43 pm to Unsettled
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I don’t know enough to really ask the right questions so if you have any other insight that would be helpful please give it.
Which one is closest to you?
We've recently run into a few friends who all complain their daughter's married people they met at college and moved to their spouses hometown.
In this case they wanted to send their kids away for some "life experience " and they got more back then they bargained for.
In these cases they are pretty far from them. Their mothers always bring it up.
Something to think about maybe?
Good Luck.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:11 pm to Drizzt
If everybody going to the law schools is dumb then the smart people should be able to rake in all the opportunities.
Great thread.
Great thread.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:20 am to justaniceguy
I have one more season of "Suits" and I'll get back to you.
I would think that if environmental law is her direction, LSU would be the best.
I would think that if environmental law is her direction, LSU would be the best.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 7:15 am to Drizzt
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Thanks for proving my point that law schools have overproduced for the market.
Your argument as proof was idiotic
There are still plenty of legal opportunities in LA, but we don't have a huge demand for the higher end b/c the state is a shite hole and we don't have big companies or a large population of industries that require intelligence/education.
The fact that LA is a shite hole without good jobs/economic opportunities isn't limited to lawyers, but that status flows into the areas of law that are profitable.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
The average lawyer’s salary is $60-120,000. That is not real money in my opinion when a Bucee’s manager is paid $100-150,000.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:10 am to Drizzt
Now you're changing the argument you made previously
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:31 am to Dayman
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The top 25% of Loyola produces some great lawyers. The school (likely for financial reasons) accepts a lot of students who are not qualified for law school.
Loyola also has an evening program.
I thought about the evening program, but ran the numbers on tuition and fees. It seemed a little expensive.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:36 am to PetroBabich
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Do you see attorneys who don't have these things going for them struggling to make a living?
Yes.
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Is the debt they incurred getting a law degree a big factor?
That varies.
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Or are they just not finding jobs period?
No, there are jobs in Louisiana. Most of them don't pay very well. There are folks all across Louisiana, particularly outside of New Orleans who went to LSU or Southern, who have been grinding it out for 10, 15, even 20 years and aren't bringing home 6 figures. Lots of them. And that is a poor return on the investment of time, energy, etc. For every Pat Morrow, there are dozens (hundreds?) like I've described.
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