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Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:15 am to
Posted by igoringa
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:15 am to
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Igoringa, the way I justify not hearing of these guys is that weed is still federally illegal. How do these guys pay their federal income tax? I chalk it up to just keeping a low profile. The Canadian guys can be much more open about it.


But RVR is a well known entity that has been in medical for years. I can find information on several people from that organization - but not these guys. RVR has not been in the shadows. The blockchain guy last year - no reason for that to be cloak and dagger.

But I appreciate the input.




Posted by questionable
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 3:21 pm to
Igoringa triggered by good LVVV news

Never seen someone who supposedly has no skin in the game care so much about a penny stock. Still sticking with my theory that Bill fricked his wife.

LVVV
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 3:57 pm to
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Igoringa triggered by good LVVV news Never seen someone who supposedly has no skin in the game care so much about a penny stock. Still sticking with my theory that Bill fricked his wife.


Shocking... There are some real children in this thread. Any other adults (like Bit Buster) out there?



Posted by rowbear1922
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 4:05 pm to
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igoringa


If it helps, I appreciate your thought process. Makes me have to do a deeper drive into the company.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:36 pm to
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Note: LVVV's application is for only 5,000 sq feet and when you read it states they will use pods which seems completely different then what they are saying now - not sure how much the county actually focuses on what that application says


It looks like that application was from May of 2018. They already received the SLO minor use permit for 10,600 sq. ft. The application in January ‘19 was consistent with what was reviewed and approved at the planning committee meeting on Jan. 18. Apparently the plans grew there. As others have mentioned, LIvewire’s operation will be selling clones to large scale growers. It allows growers to gain 2 extra crops each year. Their clone nursery pemit was (allegedly) the first one aproved by SLO.

And Coachella already has their county licenses and both the state cultivation license and state distribution license.

ETA: I’m guessing the plans at that time included pods because the Coachella state license had not been granted yet. Pods are the quickest way to get a temporary operation going until more permanent structures are ready. So they probably planned on putting the pods at whichever location got the licenses first, which ended up being Coachella.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 6:42 pm
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:12 pm to
And Igoringa, I’ve always acknowledged that you raise valid points but I disagree with the conclusions you reach. For example, knowing Bill’s history, if I don’t see R&D for 7x Pure in the financials, I say it is crappy book keeping and intentional subterfuge. And I base that on personal knowledge of dealings with Bill. You don’t see it on the books, you say it doesn’t exist. Therein lies our problem.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 8:14 pm
Posted by igoringa
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Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:40 pm to
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And Igoringa, I’ve always acknowledged that you raise valid points but I disagree with the conclusions you reach. For example, knowing Bill’s history, if I don’t see R&D for 7x Pure in the financials, I say it is crappy book keeping and intentional subterfuge. And I base that on personal knowledge of dealings with Bill. You don’t see it on the books, you say it doesn’t exist. Therein lies our problem.



Well I hope it is not intentional subterfuge as that would violate several security laws both at the federal and state level.

If any blockchain based Pure 7X system ever appears - I will be the first to buy you a beer.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:16 pm to
I agree, it’s definitely started me thinking of other items. I’m trying to check with a friend in Paso if they can go by the greenhouse.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:52 pm to
I’m flying to San Diego in a few weeks...debating taking a detour to drive to Coachella and check out the operation
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8088 posts
Posted on 3/22/19 at 7:06 am to
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Well I hope it is not intentional subterfuge as that would violate several security laws both at the federal and state level


Well, you’re aware of Bill’s track record, right?
Posted by BitBuster
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 3/22/19 at 7:49 am to
What's his track record?
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12377 posts
Posted on 3/22/19 at 8:51 am to
on a side note - high hampton - what is the argument as to why LVVV currently should have an equal or higher market cap than these guys?



Posted by questionable
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:18 am to
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Igoringa


Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12377 posts
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:21 am to
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Questionable


I was wondering what time day care on this board started.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8088 posts
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:26 am to
They probably shouldn’t. LVVV might have a slight edge right now since Coachella is up and running, but High Hampton is going places and recently got a half dozen licenses. They righted the ship with the new CEO, and last I heard they had a ton of working capital. The only knock on HH is the higher share price, so LVVV has the “loterry ticket” thing going for it. If I had more money to invest right now, it would be in HH. I wouldn’t be shocked if LVVV becomes an acquisition target (as others have mentioned), and I’d be even less shocked if HH was doing the acquiring. Info is hard to come by on HH. Very little discussion on it.
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 9:27 am
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12377 posts
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:39 am to
Playing off the acquisition target - and this is a part where I struggle - why would anyone pay hundreds of millions of dollars (assuming the expected stock appreciation and needed premium) to buy LVVV when what you are buying is a company that leased a few plots, and have a few licenses along with 100 plus others (based of Paso Robles).... assets and rights they were able to acquire for little capital expenditure. They don’t seem years ahead of what other companies could do for a fraction of the cost in a rather quick timeframe.

If getting to where LVVV is was a multi year process - I could see value there that way - but as LVVV showed you can wake up - decide you are in pot - have little capital - and get to this phase relatively quickly.

Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36745 posts
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:50 am to
Can I get Bill’s history?


All I see on his Bloomberg profile is a bunch of positions at a ton of different companies in unrelated fields

Ex. Golf grip salesman to nutrition CEO


ETA: and I can’t find where he’s purchased any stock in almost 5 years, and the total is 6k worth
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 10:02 am
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12377 posts
Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:43 am to
I will let Tigrdad give his history as he stated he had a personal relationship with him. Only thing I know about 'Bio Bill' is from public filings.

On the stock, Bill has 54 million shares including 40,000,000 he acquired on December 5, 2018. It is 99% likely the 40 million was issued to him as compensation directly from the company.

However, that is not what is important. With these penny stocks, the key is the Super Preferred. He holds the Series C preferred stock that guarantees him 52.5% of the voting control of the Company. It is a common tool used in penny stocks as it allows management to dilute to the cows come home and never lose control. Then, if the Company ever becomes something, they can issue themselves common as compensation (or better yet reverse split, then issue). Extremely common tactic.

That is why I bring up dilution all the time.... anytime you have this structure in a penny stock - if the company is successful you have guaranteed dilution by the super preferred holder in order for him to monetize and join in the appreciation of the stock price.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/22/19 at 10:47 am to
Yeah I didn’t care to dig that deep into it, I just searched Bill Dodson insider trades and the last one was from Dec 2014

Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12377 posts
Posted on 3/22/19 at 11:13 am to
As a tack on to the LVVV discussion, what is the deal with Green Gro. To listen to LVVV, their pods are the greatest thing since sliced bread.... yet in the year of the biggest expansion of Cannabis in the history of their state - Green Pro 2018 revenue through Q3 was down compared to 2017 by 70% - to $300K for the entire year of 2018. 300k!

Legitimate question - if these pods are as good as advertised - why is no one buying any during this massive expansion of the industry? Why would sales plummet?

Again, I am just trying to make sense of it all.
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