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How long can oil prices continue to be manipulated before the price explodes?

Posted on 7/20/26 at 11:32 am
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 11:32 am
This is getting ridiculous. Millions of barrels offline, millions of barrels destroyed…..tons of fireworks over the weekend, infrastructure destroyed and we’re red on the day.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
26015 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:20 pm to
Not saying your premise is incorrect, but how about you show us numbers and less dramatics.

Explain the manipulation and where the potential problems are going to happen.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7447 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:24 pm to
The reason prices haven't skyrocketed is probably China. They massively cut imports so the demand shock didn't materialize. The implication is that they had far more in reserves than was assumed.
Posted by Revorising
Member since Jan 2013
1169 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:46 pm to
It already exploded….and came back down to Earth.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 1:06 pm to
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how about you show us numbers and less dramatics.


Worldwide we are getting close to tank bottom on reserves, the crack spread is extremely high suggesting a disconnect between physical and paper pricing, and every day the fighting only intensified and more supply gets threatened. It went down a bunch on a tenuous peace deal at best and hasn’t recovered even to that level.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 1:40 pm to
LINK

quote:

US SPR crude inventories fell by ~5.1mb w/w to a multi year low of 311.4mb last week
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

The Houthis apparently join the party. The market risk in this crisis is that many have simply grown tired of it, while others increasingly treat it as a fade - a hurricane that has peaked and is about to fizzle out. But it isn’t. Quite the opposite. It is escalating, incl in terms of physical flow disruption. That complacency is what makes it dangerous. This is not a return to square one. It is square one with 1.5 billion fewer barrels of global inventories than on 28 Feb, and a higher risk of disruption to Middle Eastern oil flows than at the start of the crisis, despite the expansion of the dark fleet shuttle trade. Meanwhile, Iran’s regime is now focused on one thing: controlling the Strait. It is the one source of leverage they cannot afford to lose. The nuclear programme has become secondary and, perhaps, too expensive. That also makes renewed negotiations less likely than before. We may be looking at a long conflict. This is the real thing, chaps. Yet hardly anyone seems to care right now. We are weeks away from crude & product shortages in parts of the world, despite China’s new 6 rather than 12mbpd seaborne crude import baseline.


LINK
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22245 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 2:28 pm to
I think if prices stop getting manipulated, the price is likely to crater, not explode.
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
2072 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 2:55 pm to
Iran and Hormuz are just not that big of a factor in the global oil market any more.

Don't fall for the hype around the 2-3 missiles Iran manages to fire per day from their ever dwindling stockpile.

There is a whole industry around trying to make Trump look bad. Do not let your investments get caught up in those histrionics.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

I think if prices stop getting manipulated, the price is likely to crater, not explode.


Care to enlighten us on how you got to that conclusion? Even before this escapade US shale production has been declining, companies are spending less and less on capex, where is the supply glut coming from? If you believe in the AI story, that provides another colossal need for energy.
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
9324 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:01 pm to
Get some investors together. Rent an oil storage tank . Fill her up at 80$ . Wait. Sell at $200.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22245 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

Care to enlighten us on how you got to that conclusion? Even before this escapade US shale production has been declining, companies are spending less and less on capex, where is the supply glut coming from? If you believe in the AI story, that provides another colossal need for energy.


So you are saying production is being intentionally reduced? Interesting. What would happen if they started spending to increase production? Would the supply increase?
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:07 pm to
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There is a whole industry around trying to make Trump look bad.


Is that so? Do you have proof that someone has taken over his truth social account and has been making outlandish claims to keep prices from going up. His constant claims for 5 months that Iran is depleted and ready to make a deal has been peak absurdity.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:08 pm to
Also funny no one mentioned Trump and you feel you need to defend the nonsense.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

So you are saying production is being intentionally reduced? Interesting. What would happen if they started spending to increase production? Would the supply increase?


Where did anyone say that? Paper oil is being manipulated, physical oil….well…..can’t make up molecules
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

Get some investors together. Rent an oil storage tank . Fill her up at 80$ . Wait. Sell at $200


I didn’t say anything about $200, though not quite off the table. Why would I go through that hassle when I can just flip calls?
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
2072 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:14 pm to
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Is that so?


There is 0% doubt about it. The midterms are later this year.

Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29491 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

There is 0% doubt about it. The midterms are later this year.


I mean I’m conservative, but you need to wake up. Going all in on any politician is a poor move. I vote for conservative, but Trumps second term has objectively been a mess.
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
2072 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

I mean I’m conservative, but you need to wake up. Going all in on any politician is a poor move. I vote for conservative, but Trumps second term has objectively been a mess.


?

All I am saying is to be careful with your investments around oil right now due to the surrounding politics.

I have not espoused any side in this investment related discussion.

Betting big as a bull or bear on oil right now would be more risk than I would want to take.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22245 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 3:29 pm to
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Where did anyone say that? Paper oil is being manipulated, physical oil….well…..can’t make up molecules


You said production was going down. There are plenty of oil fields that are not being harvested. It isn't as if there is less oil to harvest yet production is decreasing.

Seems like you have made the point for me.
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