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How do families maintain wealth for generations?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 4:47 pm
How do families transfer wealth to the next generation so that they don’t squander it?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 4:59 pm to wutangfinancial
Not sure I follow
Dividends come from stocks. Stocks and be sold for cash. Cash can be spent on stupid stuff
Dividends come from stocks. Stocks and be sold for cash. Cash can be spent on stupid stuff
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:03 pm to SlidellCajun
Well generally if a family has generational wealth it’s because they don’t sell there stocks and buy stupid things. And if they do it’s because they have so much money it doesn’t matter.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:06 pm to SlidellCajun
Trust Funds.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:18 pm to SlidellCajun
That's a question I've been asking myself lately.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:28 pm to SlidellCajun
From what I have read it is unusual for family money to last more than 3 generations. Those spending the money never have the same respect for it as those that made it.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:36 pm to SlidellCajun
Transferring wealth is different than a few million being handed down within a family. Real wealth is 3 generations deep at a quarter billion of earning assets. Not uncle Larry than left you $2 million from his Exxon 401k.
Real wealth is managed in trust accounts for families - the trust accounts have the best attorneys, cpas and investment experts managing the funds.
Look at investment firms like Dodge and Cox - they have a specialty division to manage ultra high net worth and trust fund type money - most firms have something like this set up.
Real wealth is created by a demand, need or criminal activity - coke, Hershey, Microsoft, Apple, Kennedy’s, Vanderbilt, etc
Real wealth is managed in trust accounts for families - the trust accounts have the best attorneys, cpas and investment experts managing the funds.
Look at investment firms like Dodge and Cox - they have a specialty division to manage ultra high net worth and trust fund type money - most firms have something like this set up.
Real wealth is created by a demand, need or criminal activity - coke, Hershey, Microsoft, Apple, Kennedy’s, Vanderbilt, etc
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:37 pm to EA6B
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From what I have read it is unusual for family money to last more than 3 generations. Those spending the money never have the same respect for it as those that made it.
I’ve always heard “Father starts the business, son maintains the business, grandson destroys the business”.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:37 pm to SlidellCajun
Some succeed at this and some don't. Usually depends on how well the children are raised and educated.
Keep in mind that in many cases generational wealth is diminished not because it is lost but because it is dispersed. As an example, a wealthy couple may have 3 kids. At their death, the fortune is typically divided among those kids and usually among a bunch of grandkids. So what was once a big fortune gets divided up.
Keep in mind that in many cases generational wealth is diminished not because it is lost but because it is dispersed. As an example, a wealthy couple may have 3 kids. At their death, the fortune is typically divided among those kids and usually among a bunch of grandkids. So what was once a big fortune gets divided up.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:38 pm to EA6B
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From what I have read it is unusual for family money to last more than 3 generations. Those spending the money never have the same respect for it as those that made it.
By the time you split $100-300mm through three generations plus their spending, it isn’t enough. Some press to expand their money and lose it.
ETA: the guy above gets it.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:40 pm to SlidellCajun
Have you ever done the math to see the annual returns on large numbers? It’s actually quite astonishing. Hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars with minimal risk if you have a large enough “base” (which you would in a generational wealth scenario). You have to intentionally try to F it up.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:43 pm to lynxcat
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Have you ever done the math to see the annual returns on large numbers? It’s actually quite astonishing. Hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars with minimal risk if you have a large enough “base” (which you would in a generational wealth scenario). You have to intentionally try to F it up.
Real Estate (secondary residences), PAs, private drivers, private jets, stadium suites, charity, lawyers, accountants, investment advisors, etc. It adds up quick.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:46 pm to SlidellCajun
TL;DR:
Ole baw makes a billion. He sets up a trust managed by a FA. FA distributes 4% of returns to his hiers. Fund makes 10% overall annually and is 6% in the black. If no one sues, this can go on for generations.
Ole baw makes a billion. He sets up a trust managed by a FA. FA distributes 4% of returns to his hiers. Fund makes 10% overall annually and is 6% in the black. If no one sues, this can go on for generations.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:52 pm to SlidellCajun
They don't get married.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 5:58 pm to AUCE05
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Ole baw makes a billion. He sets up a trust managed by a FA. FA distributes 4% of returns to his hiers. Fund makes 10% overall annually and is 6% in the black. If no one sues, this can go on for generations.
That’s typically not reality in how this is practiced.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:01 pm to SlidellCajun
1. Get married
2. Don’t get divorced
3. Have only one kid
4. Don’t be an idiot with your massive amount of wealth
5. Repeat
2. Don’t get divorced
3. Have only one kid
4. Don’t be an idiot with your massive amount of wealth
5. Repeat
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:32 pm to SlidellCajun
Load up on Gamestop stock
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:35 pm to SlidellCajun
In truly multigenerationally wealthy families, the money isn't transferred to heirs. It is managed as an investment pool, and proceeds are distributed as determined by the family. IOW, you may inherit a bit of the family corp from Grandma, and then a bit more from your mother. But you aren't getting any actual cash transferred to you: just closely held stock in a family enterprise.
In LA, look at the JB Levert company as an example of this strategy. 150+ years of agriculture/sugarcane, and real estate development. More than 130 heirs still benefitting from a property & ag business started in the 1870s.
In LA, look at the JB Levert company as an example of this strategy. 150+ years of agriculture/sugarcane, and real estate development. More than 130 heirs still benefitting from a property & ag business started in the 1870s.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 6:38 pm to AUCE05
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Ole baw makes a billion. He sets up a trust managed by a FA. FA distributes 4% of returns to his hiers. Fund makes 10% overall annually and is 6% in the black. If no one sues, this can go on for generations.
A billion is a bit of an extreme. A more realistic example would be 20-30mil being broken up into trusts for kids.
I follow the trust aspect of it though. Seems to me that it requires a trust to keep money and assets from being squandered.
The trust essentially becomes a vehicle to provide income but the beneficiary really isn’t all that wealthy.
Breaking a 20million dollar trust up amongst 3 kids could probably generate like $300,000/year to each kid which is pretty good. Still though, it’s not like the kid is wealthy.... the trust is wealthy.
And what happens in the next generation, and the next...?
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