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re: How are average earners able to prep for the future?

Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:37 am to
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:37 am to
I've read that it is against the constitution for the US to voluntarily default on debt (which would be the legal standing for the Supreme Court to repeal the debt ceiling as a political bludgeon).

The debt ceiling originated on 1917 as a way to approve programs without requiring a budget amendment/vote each time a proposal was on the floor. It has served way past its purpose.
Posted by dukeg7213
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2023
4989 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 12:15 pm to
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She overheard her coworker tell her husband on the phone that they couldn't pull out $500 out of their bank account because they would be overdrawn.


This is 100% their own fault. Poor life choices and poor financial choices in the past led to this.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6044 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 1:41 pm to
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After we run through the surplus, based on current structure, SS could return benefits to participants at a stable 80% rate for the next 75-100yrs, basically into perpetuity.

If that's true that's encouraging. Is that even taking into account demographic shifts-- population getting older?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:13 pm to
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If that's true that's encouraging. Is that even taking into account demographic shifts-- population getting older?
Yep.


CBO’s 2022 Long-Term Projections for Social Security
Posted by bigtig
Member since Aug 2005
911 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:38 pm to
They work until the Goverment steps in to care for them in a Old folks home
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2256 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:09 am to
I "retired" at 55 and wife at 59. I still make money mostly thru real estate investing. Our health insurance is $2k/month with 7500 deductible for each. You should plan on $2500/month to go to your health, so your $10k turns into $7500 real quick.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 9:47 am to
How old do you have to be in order to spend $30k on healthcare every year?
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 11:29 am to
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'm in Dallas for example and starter homes in the suburbs are running 350k, and with Texas property tax that adds up.


I was really surprised that Texas has such high property taxes. What are you getting for them? The electric grid sucks, the schools aren’t great other than their football stadiums.
In Florida we have fairly low property taxes due to tourism sales taxes but we also don’t get crap. Schools are severely underfunded. In Colorado the taxes are dirt cheap and we have really nice stuff from what I can tell.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 11:41 am to
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I was really surprised that Texas has such high property taxes. What are you getting for them?


There is no income tax in Texas
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 11:52 am to
None in Florida either
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 3:50 pm to
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I was really surprised that Texas has such high property taxes. What are you getting for them?

I don't have kids, but I'm told the schools are really good here. The roads are pretty well kept also, at least in Dallas.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 4:12 pm to
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The roads are pretty well kept also, at least in Dallas.


I was in Dallas for a robotics competition and the roads were awful (I'm sure Dallas is a big area so it is tough to generalize anything).

The road was so bad that my cell phone dialed 911 thinking I was in a car accident.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2256 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 8:09 am to
Not very. Did you read my comment? The premiums are about $24k even if neither of us visit a Dr all year. Then we are out of pocket for the first $7600 each. That is the insurance landscape if you retire early.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 8:30 am to
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Then we are out of pocket for the first $7600 each.


That is after regular preventative/checkups.

Health insurance today sucks. But you should get 1 lab and 2 physicals for your 24k.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24722 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 8:32 am to
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I was really surprised that Texas has such high property taxes. What are you getting for them? The electric grid sucks, the schools aren’t great other than their football stadiums.


The public schools in many suburbs are quite good.

On the roads, downtown area has pretty rough roads and tons of constructions. Roads are in much better condition throughout the rest of the metroplex.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10432 posts
Posted on 8/21/23 at 7:30 pm to
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The premiums are about $24k even if neither of us visit a Dr all year. Then we are out of pocket for the first $7600 each. That is the insurance landscape if you retire early.


Nah, you just have to plan ahead before retiring and structure taxable investment income to stay well within ACA premium subsidies. We will get pushed out of premium subsidies this year with MMP being acquired in October, but the first 3 years have been cheap as hell on silver and gold plans, like less than $3/month combined for premiums. I would like to convert most of our TIRAs to Roth, but with 2 year look back on medicare income, ie hit 65 and age 63 is used for income purposes YR 1 of medicare, I don't see it happening. Definitely a balancing act and will do what we can to not blow out ACA premiums prior to that. Investors need to be diligent on harvesting losses in taxable accounts through the years, even moreso if tax rates increase in 2026 which is likely.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
38627 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:00 pm to
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My wife and I had a tough conversation with the in-laws just the other day. They've made really solid money most of their lives in the oil field but now, in their early and mid 60's, they only have like 100k for retirement. Now, they take trips every year, as in multiple trips and have pissed away gobs of money while the wife and I have told ourselves no a ton and instead saved and invested. MIL has some health issues that she needs to take pretty expensive medication for and the FIL isn't exactly a beacon of health either. She told us the other day that their plan is to work until around 70 and then the kids can fill in the gaps in their budget.




This makes me worry about my parents.

My dad made good money and worked his arse off, but my mom barely ever worked.

They literally summer in Europe.

They say they'll have plenty of money for retirement, but I don't think they're planning for any recession.
Posted by ugasickem
Allatoona
Member since Nov 2010
11975 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:32 pm to
East ramen noodles. Don’t have kids. Try not to ever take vacation…..
Posted by ugasickem
Allatoona
Member since Nov 2010
11975 posts
Posted on 8/22/23 at 8:35 pm to
Hope you know what comes after you pay mortgage off. Property taxes are skyrocketing
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2256 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 6:13 am to
Nah, you just have to plan ahead before retiring and structure taxable investment income to stay well within ACA premium subsidies.
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Sorry if my retirement plans involved continuing to make money. Lol.
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