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re: How are average earners able to prep for the future?

Posted on 8/13/23 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/13/23 at 12:34 pm to
I think a delay and reduction are both inevitable. Not a full cut, but both those measures.
Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
4181 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 12:36 pm to
I’m not worried about retirement. I wife will work to 65 because of insurance and she won’t won’t to even leave then. I will retire at 55. We both are 38. We should have 7k a month coming in with no bills and then another 3k a month in rent on a rental property. So total 10k a month to live on.
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 2:07 pm to
Damn baw, are you from the 1800s?
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6044 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

I will retire at 55. We both are 38. We should have 7k a month coming in with no bills and then another 3k a month in rent on a rental property. So total 10k a month to live on.



Are you both in that median earning range of 58-70k or above that?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 2:25 pm to
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think a delay and reduction are both inevitable

How do you define reduction?
Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
4181 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 2:34 pm to
I in the median range she’s above it
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
51571 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

I think a delay and reduction are both inevitable. Not a full cut, but both those measures

I think they'll either bump the age up again to 68-70 or they'll increase SS taxes. Neither party will cut the program.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6044 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 2:50 pm to
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How do you define reduction?

Now that I think about it the inflation increases are already written into law and no politician is ever going to get a reduction to pass. Silly thought on my part.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 4:19 pm to
That's probably the truest point anyone can make.

Our government inflates our way out of debt obligations.

1) no one would ever get a reduction passed.
2) with inflation, there is less and less need to.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
42799 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:34 pm to
they have to come up with something soon.

less than 10 years

quote:

A typical retired couple could face a loss of $17,400 in their annual Social Security benefits in 2033, when the retirement program’s main trust fund is projected to run dry. That estimate comes from the fiscal hawks at the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. The projected cut in benefits in 10 years would apply to a newly retired dual-income couple, while a typical, newly retired single-earner couple could see a cut of $13,100 per year.

The 23% across-the-board reduction in benefits will occur if lawmakers fail to act to prop up the finances of the Social Security system before 2023. Under current law, once the Social Security trust fund is exhausted, benefit payouts would be limited to the amount of money flowing in from payroll taxes at the time — which would cover just an estimated 77% of total obligations.

The dollar figure will vary for different types of households and different lifetime income levels. A high-income couple could see a cut of $23,000 per year, while a low-income couple could lose $10,600.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15204 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:38 pm to
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I am slowly coming to the realization that I will probably never retire with the way things are going.

Got my tombstone all picked out: "Finally Retired!!"
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
51571 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 5:47 pm to
I think my wife and I will be ok when the time comes. I have no delusions of being able to retire at 58 or anything like my dad though.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
51975 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 7:13 pm to
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they have to come up with something soon.



the government will never let SS fail
Posted by JasonDBlaha
Woodlands, Texas
Member since Apr 2023
3242 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 9:58 pm to
140k after taxes would put you in the upper-middle class in Louisiana. The nice part about that is since the COL in Louisiana is cheaper than the national average, you’re able to save more money which in turn allows you to spend more money on vacations and possessions. You’ll be able to have larger budgets for vacations and trips.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131025 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 3:59 pm to
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And I see the next generation in worse shape unless they can shake the materiality mentality of the boomers.

Odd take. Could you define what you're referring to as "materiality mentality"?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131025 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 4:10 pm to
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How are average earners able to prep for the future?
quote:

• Ramsey Solutions conducted the largest survey of millionaires ever with 10,000 participants.
• Eight out of 10 millionaires invested in their company’s 401(k) plan.
• The top five careers for millionaires include engineer, accountant, teacher, management and attorney.
• 79% of millionaires did not receive any inheritance at all from their parents or other family members.

The National Study of Millionaires
Posted by Klondikekajun
Member since Jun 2020
1406 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 8:10 pm to
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Social security will never be cut.


No, it'll just be means tested and reduced based on your "wealth."
Wealth will be defined by equity in your home, 401k, savings,etc.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 8:14 pm to
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No, it'll just be means tested and reduced based on your "wealth."
Wealth will be defined by equity in your home, 401k, savings,etc.

That is a cut.

It will never happen.

The best that will ever get approved is pushing back full retirement age and adjusting taxation laws on those receiving social security.

I wouldn't be shocked if the wage cap on social security gets eliminated in the near future.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 8:16 pm to
Any politician who proposes a "cut" will be ostracized and on the chopping block for reelection. It is an obvious death sentence that it will never make it to the floor.

Politics 101. No one is ever going there.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89682 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 8:52 pm to
My belief is that many teachers are married to those with very high paying jobs. Their spousal income allows them to work a relatively low paying job with favorable hours to raise a family.

Anecdotally, I tend to see that in the real world, but I’m not sure if it’s true elsewhere.
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