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re: Housing: WTF?

Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:10 pm to
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:10 pm to
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People are buying and trying to flip for a profit. It's a game of chicken right now.


Those people are going to be left holding the bag and folks will get some deals on homes
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:44 pm to
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Little Rock?

Yes
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:55 pm to
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At first you think it doesn’t matter because you got a low interest rate.

But what if you have to sell - divorce, job loss, higher paying job offer in another state, health issue, etc.
In a lot of these scenarios, the financing is so extremely in the money, that the owner can probably afford to just keep it as a rental and at least cover his PITI.

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You’d have to sell at a $100,000 lose. Would you say nbd because it’s only 10%?
You wouldn't say NBD - it's just not a crash.

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You could be waiting a long time just to get back to break even. Even longer factoring in transaction fees.
Breaking even is sunk cost thinking, so it doesn't mean much to me.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:00 pm to
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Redfin

The chart in there looks like a year over year decline is coming soon.

We’ll see what happens in the Spring selling season. I’ll go out on a limb and say prices will drop at a faster pace than they already are.
I just checked my friend's house on Redfin that he bought in Austin in June 2021 - and their estimate is 10% higher than what he paid.

NVM - that's fricking Austin, Arkansas, you fricking idiot!
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:37 pm to
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The biggest builder there Lenar is going bankrupt.
link?
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:38 pm to
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Who the hell is building right now?


the people who cant wait any longer and were waiting for lumber to go back down to normal pre-covid prices.

interest rates suck now, but building cost are much cheaper now
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:40 pm to
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It was the wrong Austin. Initially. The correct data -over 1% year over year price declines- made my point even stronger.
Being down 1 instead of 20 made you point stronger?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:41 pm to
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They are taking home ~$10,739 (not including any state taxes, retirement, insurance, etc).
But that's also excluding the potential mortgage interest deduction - which they might actually qualify for with rates up here.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:43 pm to
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In most areas Zillow’s estimates aren’t worth dick, as a real estate agent I shudder when I hear, “but Zillow said”. Unless you live in a completely homogenous area, those things are often grossly wrong.
I'm guessing you are right about this. But ALSO, median transaction stats aren't great either, because they aren't tracking buys and sales of the same properties, so it's highly dependent on the product mix being transacted on. In the edge case, it's entirely possible to have median prices down in a raging housing market.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:45 pm to
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In my area there are 6x as many homes up for sale compared to a year ago.
We need way more context to know if that stat is meaningful or not. How many months of inventory are on the market? I'm guessing it's less than what would normally constitute a buyer's market.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:21 pm to
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But that's also excluding the potential mortgage interest deduction - which they might actually qualify for with rates up here.


His entire post was hilariously wrong and failed at basic math.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 6:01 pm to
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His entire post was hilariously wrong and failed at basic math.
Yeah, I see that now. I thought this board was populated by people who knew things and/or had at least some expertise. I see now it's basically a mini-Poli Board.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 7:13 pm to
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Being down 1 instead of 20 made you point stronger?


The 20 % was month over month. So down from a high but still up year over year.

The +1% is year over year which is a big deal.

Your criticism betrays your ignorance.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 7:16 pm to
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I just checked my friend's house on Redfin that he bought in Austin in June 2021 - and their estimate is 10% higher than what he paid.


Redfin's estiamte can't be used to buy his house though.

But you do you. Pour your money into real estate because it only ever goes up. That works under the greater fool theory until it doesn't. You may find one more sucker. Good luck.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 7:55 pm to
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The +1% is year over year which is a big deal.
Down 1% YoY is a "big deal"? CRASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 7:57 pm to
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Redfin's estiamte can't be used to buy his house though.
Never said it could. But if prices were materially lower, it should be reflected at least directionally. It isn't.

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But you do you. Pour your money into real estate because it only ever goes up.
And I guess you'll do you by making up random shite and assigning it to other people when your blowhard nonsense is called out.

Only 2 claims have been made that I'm aware of:

1)There is a legitimate shortage of both rental and owned housing in the US

2)There has not been a real estate crash 2a)There probably won't be one


Those relatively benign assertions appear to break your brain.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:30 pm to
I’ve quoted sources with hard data . You’ve made argued by insult and your opinion. I’ll go out on a limb and say you’re the one with that’s a little slow witted.

Truck nuts won’t make you a fortune in real estate. Good luck.

By the way rental prices are dropping. video breaking down some of the data
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:44 pm to
I think it's safe to say you've never owned an investment property
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:51 pm to
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By the way rental prices are dropping. video breaking down some of the data


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The Rental Market MELTDOWN That Will Change Housing Forever
Houston, San Antonio, Austin and Dallas Texas.

Email my team and I for any questions and let us know how we can help!
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lmao
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 9:09 pm to
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I’ve quoted sources with hard data
Showing...what, exactly?

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You’ve made argued by insult and your opinion
You started the insults.

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By the way rental prices are dropping. video breaking down some of the data
OK. Who here ever said prices couldn't go down?
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