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re: Haynesville Shale North of Benton??

Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:25 pm to
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:25 pm to
I am completely with you on the rumours deal and just the sheer ignorance, especially at gohaynesvilleshale. You wouldnt believe how many poeple in great spots keep asking and asking about certain sections in great Townships and Ranges. Not to mention about a 1000 useless threads and infinite misinformation. I am just trying to educate myself as best as possible and we all appreciate your time. Yeah I have read alot about the problems of overfracturization and losing good wells due to the Ellenburger water. What do you think about the potential of Bossier Shale?
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 2:30 pm
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:30 pm to
As you know the oil business has always been full of rumors, but the events of the last few months in NW LA have been mind numbing. I can't believe how many people are so jaded at the huge amounts of money being thrown around. Three years ago you were lucky to make more than $200-$300 per acre on any play around here. The same land which leased for $25 per acre in 1998 has gone for $25,000 today. It just gets wilder every day. We'll have to watch the Matador, Samson, and Goodrich wells to see how far North this thing ends up ultimately going. Nobody really has any idea what minimum thickness is going to work. Keep in mind that other properties besides thickness are also important like porosity, total organic content, permeability, and kerogen content. Many of these properties are going to influence productivity of the shale.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 2:34 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:33 pm to
I heard the zone was 250-270 in those wells, is that true rumour or unconfirmed?
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:37 pm to
With Samson nobody really knows. They do a lot of things that make people in the business scratch their heads. I've seen Goodrich's website showing the Goldco well having 250' plus of shale, and then I've heard from someone owning a participating interest in the well that it had almost nothing. Then to top it off Petrohawk said that the well was no good. Things like this lead me to not believe anything until I see logs, tests, production numbers, etc. Until someone drills a horizontal it will be very hard to tell in that area since any cores, mudlogs, and rock properties will likely be held tight. Maybe Nadel and Gussman will try one.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 2:45 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:44 pm to
If they do have the 250FT range in the zone and really pan out how far do you think the next jump up north will be to test vert.? I remember at JW, I built meter runs and meters, that when someone brought in a 5-7 million CV well we just thought it was so amazing and how much money they would make. This really is amazing when you think about it. Wouldnt it definitely be in their best interest to dog the well whether it was good or not? On one hand if it did have a 250" Zone they would wanna keep it quiet for sure, on the other if it was a bust they would wanna keep that quiet as well so other players would continue to commit resources in a losing area. This is a big boys poker game with a trillion dollar pot, I have already seen plenty of bluffing and slow rolling, lol. Another thing being discussed is that the shale is tighter north and a little harder to frac and produce, heard anything along those lines?
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 2:52 pm
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:48 pm to
If someone had told me a few years ago that they could make a 10 MMCFGD well, skid the rig over, do it again, and continue this again and again with no dry holes I wouldn't have believed it. Now companies are saying that wells will average 6.5 - 8.5 BCFG per well inside the core area, and will do it at least on every 80 acres. Incredible. That J-W Rumbaugh well is the interesting one. It obviously had some of the zone as they frac'd the well and the frac screened out. Lots of people are hesitant to get north of that well it seems like. But one thing is that the productive limits are probably not going to follow a straight line. It might move north in one spot, and then move south in a different spot. That is where the speculation step out drilling comes into play. The Comstock map is pretty good at showing something like this. One thing is for certain and that is that this is definitely a big boys game.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 3:25 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:51 pm to
Do you agree with me about the dogging the well either way issue, I think that would be the route to take? It would work both ways, lol, maybe we need some corporate espionage, that info has got to be worth if not 100's of millions then billions.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:58 pm to
I am not familiar with the term screened out? What exactly does that mean?
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:00 pm to
Yeah, anybody could try to downplay someone else's well results to their advantage. In my opinion it is very easy to rule out a lot of places people think the shale is present simply due to the amount of data people have. Many of these areas have seen tons of wells drilled to the smackover. Other places can't be ruled in or out without further drilling. Every company is also going to pump their acreage and wells over the other outfit's too.
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:05 pm to
You know I really respect your opinion and help, and I know plenty of companies have bought bad leases,but I just cant see a big Barnett player blowing 40-50 million in 21N bottom 22N without doing some pretty good research. I am sure they have access to most of the same logs, smackover perfs, data etc.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:12 pm to
Screen out occurs when the frac job can't be pumped away and the formation can't take the sand proppant any longer. It can happen due to pump failure or because the zone is too thin to accept the treatment. A five foot Cotton Valley zone, for example, likely can't take a million pounds of sand in a frac treatment. I agree with you on doing research and paying for a big lease. Maybe they saw something nobody else has, including me. People miss things all the time. My original responses in this thread were meant to show evidence why I felt there is little chance of the Haynesville shale being present in North Bossier near Plain Dealing and the Stateline area. This discussion kind of evolved into other things over the course of a few weeks. I think I have stated that I'm all for the shale being present in North Bossier (it would help me out some also), but I just don't see it happening. The area around Gilliam is a lot further south, and although I can't see what would interest a company in that area maybe they have seen something they think they can make work. Again, we'll just have to wait and see. I know lots of people in the Dixie area got offers from Petrohawk a few months ago for something like $3,000 per acre only to see the offers get rescinded a short time later.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 3:18 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:14 pm to
I have known "accidents" like this happen in bigtime plays from time to time. What are the chances this was an "accident"
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:20 pm to
Without being on the J-W location and having access to their data I really couldn't tell you. Plays like this are trial and error to a certain extent. Maybe another company has a stimulation method they think will work in this kind of area.
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:23 pm to
In negotiations with Petrohawk a really great O/G lawyer said that Phawk was seriously short on capital and was choosing to concentrate more in the core area, but they did say that they wouldnt say whether shale was present or not, they said it probably was, but the extent thickness and other variables and especially a lack of money dissuaded them from it.
This post was edited on 8/30/08 at 9:37 am
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:30 pm to
That well was drilled in the 1940's and was plugged and abandoned. I just can't see how Petrohawk can afford all this. CHK has issued stock twice, sold three different asset packages, and sold part of their acreage to fund this play and Petrohawk has only issued stock twice I think even though they are a much smaller company than CHK.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 3:34 pm
Posted by Pierre
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
5431 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:31 pm to
There is an old well drilled on our property that was dry many years ago. I assume their would have been some mapping of the property done. Is there a way to locate old maps? Once mapping of an area is done does it become public after a certain period of time? Can I request it from a state agency?
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:33 pm to
so what are they up to with it?
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:37 pm to
That almost certainly has to be an error on Sonris. Occasionally you see they post incorrect information. That info was probably put there by mistake from another well. Total depth on that well according to Sonris was 1,507'.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:38 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 3:43 pm to
Well I am glad to bury the hatchet, you are a knowledgable guy, like I said I am not a geologist. The sad thing is they wont drill around Gilliam, at least on the lease I have been talking about for at least a year or so,due to having alot of leases to hold and it so freshly signed. So I can say your opinion is they either know somthing other players missed or just blew 40-50 million on a bad lease?
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