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re: Haynesville Shale North of Benton??

Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:40 am to
Posted by TigerDog83
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Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:40 am to
The Wynn well was originally a Cotton Valley prospect I'm pretty sure. They permitted it a couple years back to 8,500' and the permit expired. They re-permitted it to 9,500' a short time back and drilled and plugged it. The depth can be deceiving because they are very close to Pine Island which is the highest point of the Sabine uplift, and formations are encountered shallower there than the outskirts of the uplift. I have no idea why they would still be leasing because they were certainly shopping their acreage only two months or so ago. Also some of their leases were getting fairly close to burning. Maybe they figured they will continue to try to play the fringe and flip a bigger block of leases to someone else. I'm not really sure what they would be thinking here. Clayton Williams is a good company and they have been very active in North LA recently looking for Cotton Valley, deep Bossier sands, and Smackover Gray sands but I'm not sure they are a real big shale player as I think they might have some shale stuff in the Delaware basin of West Texas.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 9:55 am
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:56 am to
I really cant see Clayton Williams going into the lease flipping business when like you say, they are a very good company and a drillers company at that. But I can verify that they are leasing in 21 and the bottom of 22N as we speak for 2000 an acre, and 9500 feet on the wynn well doesnt mean alot.
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:59 am to
I was also told it was going to make a hell of a CV well but that they fu**cked it up, that is a rumour I cant verify but was told to me by a close source of CW.What do you mean close to Pine Island, it is in the Pine island?
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 10:01 am
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:00 am to
Yeah, I agree with you they are a good outfit. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Maybe they now think they have a deep Bossier sand or something. They were in deed seeking to sell their acreage. This I can guarantee you because I saw the package. There are lots of penetrations in that area to go off of, so it wasn't as if they were in a totally new area. Pretty interesting. Pine Island refers to Caddo Pine Island field. The "dome" or Pine Island is the highest point of the Sabine uplift. It has been productive for many decades now. You can see it driving from Gilliam to Oil City as an obvious high point.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 10:03 am
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:07 am to
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This post was edited on 8/18/08 at 9:57 pm
Posted by Flop
Member since Jul 2008
132 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:18 am to
The fact is TD is no longer a player in leasing for chump change in this area.
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:18 am to
Is that what he has been doing?
I am not a Geologist or landman but I do have eyes ears and a brain, his aruments are getting pretty sketchy
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 10:22 am
Posted by Flop
Member since Jul 2008
132 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:32 am to
Appears that way, doesn't it!
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:34 am to
even Pittboss admitted it would be stupid to say there was no shale up to 22 in caddo parish!
Posted by Flop
Member since Jul 2008
132 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:39 am to
I thought they were so consistent with one another??????????
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:43 am to
Yeah they both work for oil and gas companies, really only time will tell. I remember when the shale was supposed to thin rapidly above 19N line, rumour has it the zone in 20 is 200FT thick, I like how JW's well "screened out". DO not believe any landman or like when it comes to leasing your land, you will end up bleeding tears.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:23 am to
I'm certainly not a landman. I have continued to present evidence supporting my claims. Concerning these I have yet to see any evidence that makes me appear incorrect. Is this possible? Of course. Only a fool would think he is always right. Not one of you has presented any factual evidence in the form of a well log, test results, etc. to support anything. Lots of landowners here are quick to jump on somebody who presents information they don't agree with. I've noticed that has become pretty common place these days and I'm not sure if that's from a general lack of education or not. Give me some credible information showing the shale is in North Bossier parish T22N and T23N (the original point of this thread) and then maybe I'll reconsider. Instead all anyone ever posts is that they talked to someone who is close to a company, or they know a brother who has an uncle, etc. I'm about done posting anything to aid anyone. You clowns will just have to figure it out on your own, which in my opinion is pretty unlikely. I'm privy to a lot of information that none of you are. Half of the people on these sites can't even give proper descriptions for townships and ranges. If somebody in North Caddo Parish doesn't know what Pine Island is that gives a pretty good indication that they have very little knowledge about the oil and gas business in NW LA. Considering I know many people near Gilliam and have seen no evidence of any leases being signed for anything close to $10,000 per acre I'll believe that when I see it. Not to mention no leases are of record from Clayton Williams in 2008. It's also Schlumberger (not Slumjay) and I seriously doubt they were doing any seismic shoots near Gilliam. I'm pretty sure WesternGeco does all the Schlumberger seismic work since they are a wholly owned subsidiary of Schlumberger specializing in geophysical work. Any Schlumberger trucks around NW LA are probably involved with logging or well service operations.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 2:14 pm
Posted by Flop
Member since Jul 2008
132 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:08 pm to
You need Paxil
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 1:28 pm to
I am fully aware of how to spell Schlumberger. I have worked for JW and a subsidiary of JW operating, and you dont believe a lease of approximately 4000 acres for 10000 an acre was signed around Gilliam then why dont you put your money where your mouth is Mr. Priveliged information bigshot, I'll meet you anywhere you want with 5000 dollars cash. We can settle that point pretty easily. I can also quarantee you this lease offer was based on seismic analysis. So why dont you quit running your mouth and put up some money. And about the lease around Gilliam, if you wanna believe it come see it, but you have to pay to play!
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 1:40 pm
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 1:48 pm to
Crazier things have happened but I know about Hillwood, Lonestar, and the rest of the outfits snooping around up there. I also know many of the people with land around Gilliam and they've kept me updated on what had been going on and nowhere has an offer anywhere close to $10,000 per acre come around to them. Lots of data on deep penetrations up that way, and not much in the way of hard data to show the Haynesville shale is up there. And the latest word is Clayton Williams has sold their acreage. Good luck but I'm pretty skeptical about anything up that way based on the information I have. As far as running your mouth I believe you are the one who has yet to present any information. What well logs are you using to say the Haynesville shale is present there? What well tests are you using? Until you present any plausible information like this I can't treat it as any more than rumors. I'll see the leases go of record if they end up being factual.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 1:56 pm to
Well I guess you dont know everyone. Look I am not trying to fight with you, I think you are a pretty nice guy for trying to help poeple with their questions. It is pretty obvious you have plenty of knowledge, and like we have all said time will tell. But the lease for 10000 an acre was signed, I know for a fact the lease was signed, it will be up soon. But if a company came up with over 40 million cash to do this deal then they know somthing or just made the worst lease in history.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 1:58 pm
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:08 pm to
Sorry for appearing argumentative. You have at least presented some background unlike Flop who only baits and comments with no substance. I have a hard time believing the shale is there, so if it's true the lease was signed for $10,000 per acre consider it a blessing. The going rate in speculative places south of there is around $3,000-$4,000 per acre at last word. Hopefully the landowners didn't give the company a "speculative period of 45 days" because I know one such outfit was offering that and that screams bogus. Maybe I'll be proven wrong on my thinking that there is no productive Haynesville shale in north Bossier parish, but at this time the evidence available leads me to believe it's not there. There are just so many rumors going around right now it makes it hard to take any information without evidence seriously. Good luck to you.
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Checkmateking2
Paradise Island, Bahamas
Member since Aug 2008
6692 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:17 pm to
Well in areas where there are productive Haynesville sand wells, I.E. northern Bossier, far northern Caddo you are obviously right about the sand/shale argument. I can promise you on this lease there was no speculative period, and yes they got a hell of a deal. I think it was so good because it was nearly 5000 contiguous acres under 4 owner. How good are seismics on shale plays? And what do you think would be the minimum thickness for viable production in this play 100ft? less more?
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 2:20 pm
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

You need Paxil


Yes, the guy who uses reason and evidence instead of hope and innuendo needs drugs.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 2:23 pm to
The jury is still out on how good seismic is on these shale plays. I remember CHK stating in one press conference that in this play it doesn't appear that it's going to be critical because there are no signals of any karsting or significant faulting. Both of these are common in the Barnett. In the Barnett 3-D has been a great tool to prevent fracture treatments from penetrating an underlying wet formation (Ellenburger I believe) that has watered out wells. This has yet to be an issue in the Haynesville. I'm not sure how effective seismic has proved to be in the Fayetteville. Seismic is often used to define structures and structural related features, such as the Smackover stateline trend and South Louisiana.
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