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Fully Paid Shares Lending Program - Etrade

Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:02 am
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31113 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:02 am
I got an email about lending my fully paid shares for interest yesterday from Etrade, and am trying to figure out what the catch is. I can still trade just as I normally would, and I would make a bit of money.

Here's the description. I would assume most trading platforms do/offer this.

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When you enroll your eligible accounts in E*TRADE’s Fully Paid Lending Program, you agree to allow E*TRADE to borrow your fully-paid-for securities (i.e. positions not purchased on margin) in exchange for potential income. We then loan your shares to other investors and market participants through the securities lending market if they become lendable due to high borrowing demand (often due to short selling).


I don't really give a shite if they sell my shares short...maybe I can make some money off WKHS and RIDE

What am I missing?

Fully Paid Lending Program
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 10:02 am
Posted by doomsday
Member since Dec 2009
13 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:19 am to
I was hesitant but wound up doing it at Schwab....easiest money you'll ever make for doing nothing. Wish I had done it sooner.

Shares were loaned out to short sellers.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31113 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:20 am to
Nice. I'm going to sign up for it. I assume everyone doesn't get accepted or I would've received the email right when I restarted my account.
Posted by KCRoyalBlue
Member since Nov 2020
983 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:45 am to
I tried to apply, but it said I had no qualified accounts. Darn.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68316 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:25 am to
I only have mutual funds with Etrade, assuming they are not targeting those, just individual stocks?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31113 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:27 am to
Yeah, individual stocks only I believe.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84871 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:32 am to
quote:

What am I missing?


They’re going to lend your shares to people that are trying to drive down the price of your stock, but they’ll pay you for it. You also can’t vote if the shares are actively on loan.

It’s not typically a ton of money unless you own scarce stocks.
Posted by plaric
Pike Road, Alabama
Member since Jun 2011
2204 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:32 am to
What kind of returns
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31113 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

They’re going to lend your shares to people that are trying to drive down the price of your stock, but they’ll pay you for it. You also can’t vote if the shares are actively on loan.

It’s not typically a ton of money unless you own scarce stocks.


I'm fine with it...I guess it's the old adage where if it's not me, it'll be someone else who they buy from. And who knows, maybe I can loan out my shares to someone shorting and then the morons from Reddit will try and squeeze them and I double dip
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68316 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:53 pm to
Just a heads up I did find this out:

Review on program from someone

quote:

Dividends are paid “cash in lieu” – Under current tax law, qualified dividends receive preferential treatment. In other words, the income is taxed at lower rates. If a dividend is paid for any shares that are lent out, the dividend received will be credited to the account as “cash in lieu” and do not qualify for preferential treatment. This means that all dividends could be taxed at ordinary income tax rates.


So if you have dividend heavy stocks, this is a big deal potentially.
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
Member since Nov 2015
17441 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 5:28 pm to
What kind of returns do you see on your account? I just went ahead and applied for it and got approved immediately.

From what I read I guess it will vary wildly person to person. Wondering if it was really anywhere near 10% though.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 5:44 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31113 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:37 am to
quote:

What kind of returns do you see on your account? I just went ahead and applied for it and got approved immediately.


I have no idea. I was also approved immediately and this is my first day in it. I've already got the following absolute dogs in my portfolio making me a few bucks:

RIDE, ZOM, LCID, HMBL, WKHS, CPNG

AT stock well represented
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31113 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 5:03 pm to
Got my first report. Making out like a bandit

But in all seriousness, they didn't loan many shares, and I don't have many of the ones that were loaned out.

That interest rate on CPNG...yikes.

Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7047 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 5:08 pm to
Yea, I signed up Monday after seeing this thread; and have made like .15 this week. They pretty much have only used my entire position of MP.

I'm torn. I mean, I suppose if it's things you are holding long anyway, it doesn't matter.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31113 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 5:10 pm to
The way I look at it, if they're not loaning out our shares, they'll pay someone else to loan out theirs
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72620 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:33 am to
good to see i am not the only one who bought COUPANG

i have waaaay more shares than you tho.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31113 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:49 am to
Oh, i have way more than 5. I bought 10

That was my "see what happens on IPO day" purchase, where I learned it's usually a bad investment.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 10:50 am
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72620 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 7:07 pm to
quote:

Oh, i have way more than 5. I bought 10




quote:

That was my "see what happens on IPO day" purchase, where I learned it's usually a bad investment.




i've done the same couple times with IPO's. low shares. understood. this time i bought way more. ugh
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
2659 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:48 pm to
Do they only borrow the shares that people wish they’d never bought?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30571 posts
Posted on 8/1/21 at 6:01 am to
This is only for high short fee stocks where short shares are hard to find. In those stocks many retail investors and even some larger investors are requesting their shares not be lent out. So the brokers have to share the lending profits now to incentivize people to allow their shares to be shorted
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