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For those who have sold FSBO

Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:37 pm
Posted by thatguy
Member since Aug 2006
6890 posts
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:37 pm
Wife and I are debating whether to list our house FSBO or just go ahead and hire an agent.

For those who have doen FSBO, what are some Pros and Cons / Do's & Dont's, and any other tips suggestions?

We live in a neighborhood where houses typically sell within a couple of weeks. Our house will likely sell for anywhere from 200 - 220 if that makes any difference.

The only thing that worries me is screwing up the paperwork but then again I don't want to give up 6%...
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9801 posts
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:26 pm to
I've sold many FSBOs.

Just make sure you are able to price it correctly. Otherwise, you will lose profit dollars or not be able to get it appraised.

The paperwork can be handled easily by a real estate attorney for a song.
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 5/20/17 at 11:20 pm to
Most people who aren't tards can do it. I have sold 2 houses within 2 -3 months. You need a sign, a website to show pics, maybe newspaper, Facebook, and traffic. It can sell if you have it priced right. Get a contract for the buyer. Closing lawyer will do paperwork. Do some reading. It ain't rocket science.
Posted by Popths
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
3965 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:53 am to
You can also include in your ad that realtors are welcome @ 2% or whatever percent you're up to offering.
Posted by Hankg
Member since Feb 2011
631 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:07 am to
Call a couple agents and have them give you their sales pitch. They will look at comps and tell you what they think you should sell it fo . That will give you an idea what to ask ,you don't have to list it with them.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20451 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:27 am to
quote:

The only thing that worries me is screwing up the paperwork but then again I don't want to give up 6%...


You aren't no matter how you sell. Using a realtor costs you 2-3%. The buyers realtor costs the other 2-3%, then depending on your price range you could need to spend an additional 2-5% on closing costs in order to assist the buyer. For example, lower end homes in the $100s often need the seller to assist the buyer in closing costs because they lack a down payment.

So don't expect FSBO to not cost you anything, you are only saving 3% at most usually. Which is a lot of money still don't get me wrong, but if a realtor can help you get a slightly higher price and do the work for you then that difference can be negligible.
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7222 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:40 am to
Most title companies will help you complete the paperwork if you close with them.
Posted by MakersMarkFan
Member since Nov 2016
92 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:04 am to
I bought one FSBO. Was not hard. We filled out a purchase agreement, which I submitted to the bank for the loan. The bank ordered the appraisal, I ordered the inspection. The title company took care of the rest and we closed with no problems.

A realtor can be an asset when negotiating offers because you do not have to deal directly with the people putting in offers. If you do go FSBO just know that someone is going to try and low ball you so don't get offended when it happens. Good luck.
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:59 am to
Has anyone ever seen a house list fsbo and not willing to pay the buyers agent fees?
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

Has anyone ever seen a house list fsbo and not willing to pay the buyers agent fees?


All the time.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20451 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

Has anyone ever seen a house list fsbo and not willing to pay the buyers agent fees?

All the time.


Yeah it happens and it's stupid. Take my neighbor for example, work just transfered him to nashville and he doesn't know the area at all. He got $10,000 to sell his house in under 60 days and an additional $10k to buy a house in some sort of time. He just wants to find a house, but doesn't know the area at all. Explain how someone like that buys and sells a house by owner? So you are eliminating a portion of the population by doing that.

Realtors can be expensive, but they can also be well worth their money.

These people unwilling to pay the agents fees are ignorant because some people need agents and those agents have to be paid somehow. Even if it doesn't come from the seller, it's money the buyer has to come up with and is less they are willing to spend on the house. So basically anyone that does that is just ignorant to basic economics.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 3:20 pm
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:36 am to
quote:

Yeah it happens and it's stupid. Take my neighbor for example, work just transfered him to nashville and he doesn't know the area at all. He got $10,000 to sell his house in under 60 days and an additional $10k to buy a house in some sort of time. He just wants to find a house, but doesn't know the area at all. Explain how someone like that buys and sells a house by owner? So you are eliminating a portion of the population by doing that.

Realtors can be expensive, but they can also be well worth their money.

These people unwilling to pay the agents fees are ignorant because some people need agents and those agents have to be paid somehow. Even if it doesn't come from the seller, it's money the buyer has to come up with and is less they are willing to spend on the house. So basically anyone that does that is just ignorant to basic economics.


Working with a couple from NYC in same scenario, wife here in Nashville at HCA, bought a house in great area unless you need access to city. Husband retired and a member at my club. Takes her an hour to get to & from work on good days and him 45 minutes to the club. But they saved 3% in their minds (by my comps a little over 1%)

I'm not always needed in every transaction or in every market and I accept that, but the notion that I provide no value in many situations and in complex markets is simply foolish.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 5:38 am
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7222 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:45 am to
If the buyer feels like he needs the agent, then he should pay them out of his pocket. Why should the seller be penalized for that?
Posted by XanderCrews
Member since Mar 2009
774 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:58 am to
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Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
25459 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:04 am to
quote:

If the buyer feels like he needs the agent, then he should pay them out of his pocket. Why should the seller be penalized for that?


Let me be clear, I have NO problem with this line of thinking. I love FSBO's with no agent commission being offered. I never have a multiple offer situation, I always control the process, the house rarely if ever shows as well as it should, and I always get property below what house would have contracted for with agent and always negotiate to the sales price and add my 3% so buyer can finance me over 30 years if desired. See my post history, FSBO is my friend.

Let me also be clear, this is my experience in my market. Based on my experience, FSBO always leaves more than buyers agent commission on the table.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20451 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:30 am to
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Market inefficiency at its best. You should run for office with quotes like these.


How is that market inefficiency when fsbo has been around since the beginning but still hasn't taken any sort of hold? The fact is that while not cheap, realtors are worth something most of the time and each part of the transaction is only a small part of the sellers fee.

Most fsbo are aholes in my experience. They don't set their house up to show well as in don't clean and put things away, they are hard to get a hold of, and very difficult to negotiate with. Ask any real estate agent and they'll tell you this. Yeah there are some fsbo that know what they are doing, but that is a small percentage. Even if you are a good one, the stigma is there and always will be, most fsbo are people pissed they have to pay the fees after selling 2 homes already so they are 'experienced'.

One of the most important things that a sellers agent does, is to offer a 3rd party opinion on what buyers want to see and don't want to see. They tell buyers whose house smells like crap because of pets or crap incense to clean it up, to unclutter, etc. Most people think their house is 'great' and show ready when in reality it's not what most want to see.

Therefore, you get a bunch of agents that either don't care to show the house or are just unwilling to even consider that property for their clients unless they absolutely have to like the client brings it to them. I've seen fsbo that won't even allow an agent in their house.

This thread is the perfect example, if you have to post about fsbo then you are probably not fit to do it.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:36 am
Posted by XanderCrews
Member since Mar 2009
774 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:28 am to
quote:

How is that market inefficiency


It is market inefficiency when someone can do your job at no to little cost.

I am not trying to be an arse, but maybe educate.

The cost for a realtors service has a value and that value set at a percentage of the sales price is incorrect in today's business model.

If it were not you would not see FSBO's take off in the way they have. Akin to car dealers putting in(laws) protections so consumers can not buy direct and have to buy through them. I am also confused on when you say FSBOs have not taken hold. Just in BR alone I assume the number is huge and I think agents have had to compromise commissions because of FSBOs.(hence market inefficiency.)

You also seem to generalize a lot about FSBO's

quote:

Most fsbo are aholes in my experience


In my experience it does not take any sort of intelligence to be a realtor. I am not generalizing realtors in this discussion though, just pointing out there are deficiencies in the agent/home sale industry.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20451 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:37 am to
quote:

The cost for a realtors service has a value and that value set at a percentage of the sales price is incorrect in today's business model.


I've thought about it, and so has the industry. You can't do an hourly rate that makes a lot of sense that people are willing to pay. I agree, being an agent may not take brain surgeon education but there are tons of wealthy people that aren't super smart.

There are realtors that list a house for sale for literally years because the seller won't come down on price, so explain how you charge that? A monthly rate? If you came up with an hourly rate, I absolutely guarantee there are people that are better off paying a % and that number is higher than you think. There are buyers who see 1 property and make an offer, and there are buyers that see 30 and don't. Do you think buyers will pay an hourly rate and never make an offer? I think most people are generally happy with the % rates the market has set.

Yeah, FSBO has increased recently I agree but so has the power of the Internet making it much easier. Have FSBO increased as a large percentage though? I honestly don't know and I haven't seen any data showing this? I mean anything dealing with marketing has increased by owner because of the internet. Look at classified ads in the newspaper for example, look at car sales. Who takes their car to a used car dealer to sell now a days?

My only point is I hear this like the OP said all the time 'I want to save 6% by selling FSBO'. Well that's wrong in the first place. You are only saving 2.5-3% and selling a house usually costs 7-9% when you add in closing costs and repairs.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 8:40 am
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:51 am to
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I'm not always needed in every transaction or in every market and I accept that, but the notion that I provide no value in many situations and in complex markets is simply foolish.


There's no doubt that there is value when you do not know an area well. Both with finding the right place, and with negotiations. But, that all depends on the quality of the agent and the situation. When we bought in Houston, it was nice to have a buying agent. Luckily, my company paid for it, but it was very helpful and I understood the need. Selling my house in LA was a different story.

First, the agent was just terrible. Second, she was a dual agent. I have issues because I believe she was going through her buyers before really advertising the house, but that's an issue I have with this one particular agent (no sign in yard or ad online until we had a buyer among other things). In general, there is always a real possibility that an agent is a dual agent. In that case, they have no ethical way to help you with negotiations. So in essence, they are an advertising company. With current technology, that doesn't add a whole bunch in certain markets. I bought that first house FSBO and it was an easy process. Bank really helped with all the paperwork.

Regarding price, the market price is the market price whether you have an agent or not. Yes, an agent may better help you understand what that price is, and in turn make it worth the 6%. But, one can also do some research and find that market price on their own. Hell, for $400 you can get an actual appraisal and get an official evaluation. In that case, you did save your 6% and now have that additional wiggle room to move the house.
Posted by XanderCrews
Member since Mar 2009
774 posts
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:03 am to
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This post was edited on 12/21/21 at 11:07 am
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