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re: Federal court halts bulk of tariffs

Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:21 pm to
I think we are all confused. But it looks like Biden’s steel tariff’s were done under the trade expansion act which is different authority from what Trump has now used.

Per the discussion of the trade court in striking down of the Trump tariffs, the trade expansion act allows for import charges when there is a finding that “an article is being imported into the United States in such quantities or under such circumstances as to threaten to impair the national security.”

So I assume the Biden steel tariffs were targeted to a specific item to address dumping or some other issue that was undercutting American competitiveness?

With Trump there is no such specific article being addressed here. He is using an emergency declaration to do blanket tariffs.

A major problem with that is the blanket, untalented nature, and emergencies are generally sudden in nature. The emergencies used here have all been slow boils. Congress can act to address a slow developing problem. The trade court decision spends a lot of time on if a trade imbalance supports executive action. At least for the trade court panel, it does not in the manner Trump has sought.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38260 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

“an article is being imported into the United States in such quantities or under such circumstances as to threaten to impair the national security.”

Your comments are good, but I think you'll agree the bolded is pretty mushy, particularly as pertaining to steel.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40112 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:48 pm to
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The concept would be redress for years of bad faith actions by certain partners. E.g., BYD subsidies being presently used to price Tesla out of the Chinese market, after stealing Tesla tech and assembly processes there.


I mean tesla agreed to that set up when they voluntarily invested hundreds of billions in china.


Also the US has essentially banned Chinese vehicle imports long before the present batch of tariffs.
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
3431 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:51 pm to



Not so fast buzzard breath.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
24650 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:57 pm to
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Not so fast buzzard breath.


At least post a link or something, instead of a image of Carson

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Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:22 pm to
my bad.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5456 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 7:25 pm to
Updating my earlier post.

Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71318 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 8:56 pm to
People can whine about checks and balances all they want

But the eroding of trust in the judicial system will have massive consequences.

I don’t particularly care on this issue of tariffs but the courts trying to stop deportations while allowing mass migration for four years has completely destroyed my trust in the system.

And you can spare me the “blame congress” speech because I would deport every person in Washington DC to the moon if I could.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135262 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 4:26 am to
This was your question...
quote:

Without using Grok, what should be included in a strong trade deal?

I've asked this like 6 times whenever people say trump is making deals and no one ever gives an answer.
You received an answer.

This was your response...
quote:

I mean tesla agreed to that set up when they voluntarily invested hundreds of billions in china.
Do you see this response of yours as relevant to a "strong trade deal"?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73014 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 5:16 am to
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People can whine about checks and balances all they want

But the eroding of trust in the judicial system will have massive consequences.

I don’t particularly care on this issue of tariffs but the courts trying to stop deportations while allowing mass migration for four years has completely destroyed my trust in the system.


Tariffs are legit a legally dubious action the WH has taken, BUT…..

The amount of rulings against the administration that have been overruled by scotus or other higher courts has been quite large.

The tariffs are one thing, but these constant injunctions against federal employee firings or immigration enforcement are a complete farce.

I think scotus has the same view which is why they will rule to strike down nationwide injunctions.

“Judge shopping” needs to go. The groups filing these lawsuits are going to the same judges over and over again to get TROs granted.
Posted by IMSA_Fan
Member since Jul 2024
560 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 5:43 am to
I think the better route is to reign in executive orders and force the President to work with Congress to pass legislation
This post was edited on 5/30/25 at 6:24 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73014 posts
Posted on 5/30/25 at 8:14 am to
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I think the better route is to reign in executive orders and force the President to work with Congress to pass legislation


Yes, for tariffs and such.

But things like federal workforce downsizing are executive branch authority that historically have not required congress.

Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
27273 posts
Posted on 6/2/25 at 9:45 am to
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U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit grants pause over trade court ruling. Tariffs remain in force.


All this is such a waste of resources, court, money , time, on and on.

Bunch of petty democrat bullshite, hope they enjoy their 19% approval rating.

And the tax payers (us) pay for all of it
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