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re: Energy companies have 30 days to reveal chemicals used in fracking
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:18 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:18 pm to fightin tigers
No kidding. It's just salt water, a gelling agent which more than likely comes from a plant and acid buffer and a base buffer.
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Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:19 pm to mattz1122
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Then why is this a problem?
seriously?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:20 pm to fightin tigers
Is it super secret proprietary info or is it super easy to look up?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:23 pm to Overbrook
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Fair enough.
Their business requires imposing part of its operating costs on society, so society has a right to know and to regulate it.
What?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:24 pm to mattz1122
Bc it's trade secrets.. Do you not know anything about business?? It's the proprietary information that makes companies money.. It's like knowing that a famous restaurant uses prego sauce for their spaghetti. Would you go there any now knowing that's what they do?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:26 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Only applies to those fraking on federal lands from my understanding
Which when you consider the Permian Basin is the leading land area for producing oil in the United States, and the BLM owns about 40% of all land and minerals in New Mexico...well...this is kind of significant.
However, oil companies have been expecting something like this to come down the pike soon.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:27 pm to b-rab2
Well no fricking shite. What if they were putting dangerous levels of arsenic in their Prego sauce? Is it their right to keep it secret?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:33 pm to ragincajun03
How much of the Permian production occurs in New Mexico? Less than 5%?
Come on, man.
Come on, man. Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:36 pm to notiger1997
A lot of the pollution, tap water lighting on fire, etc. has been debunked. Methane build up in aquifers is something that has been known to happen naturally.
Unless there are crappy engineers (not saying that there aren't cases where there weren't), fracking isn't touching the water table. Think of the formation as a big tank, fracking inside the tank gets the oil or gas out faster and easier. But it you crack the tank, you start losing all you oil or gas. Why the f*** would a company be doing that. These operations only take place in the permeable rock that contains hydrocarbons. There is a science to it.
The fluids are only thickening agents to carry proppant to hold open the fractures inside the formation. These chemicals aren't doing anything really crazy downhole. To freak you out more, the government agency that oversees offshore operations allows them to dump them in the water in the gulf!
Unless there are crappy engineers (not saying that there aren't cases where there weren't), fracking isn't touching the water table. Think of the formation as a big tank, fracking inside the tank gets the oil or gas out faster and easier. But it you crack the tank, you start losing all you oil or gas. Why the f*** would a company be doing that. These operations only take place in the permeable rock that contains hydrocarbons. There is a science to it.
The fluids are only thickening agents to carry proppant to hold open the fractures inside the formation. These chemicals aren't doing anything really crazy downhole. To freak you out more, the government agency that oversees offshore operations allows them to dump them in the water in the gulf!
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:37 pm to mattz1122
Not too long ago, before the plummeting oil prices, Lea County led all counties in the Permian Basin in rig count.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:37 pm to mattz1122
I wasn't able to figure out from the article what "disclosure" means. Is this for reporting to governmental authorities (which may entail it still remaining private info), or is it for disclosing in the financial/public information sense?
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:40 pm to KG6
Yes I know these chemicals are no big deal. I was making fun of those trying to use scare tactics and those stupid lying documentary folks. Fck them
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:41 pm to KG6
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A lot of the pollution, tap water lighting on fire, etc. has been debunked. Methane build up in aquifers is something that has been known to happen naturally.
Unless there are crappy engineers (not saying that there aren't cases where there weren't), fracking isn't touching the water table. Think of the formation as a big tank, fracking inside the tank gets the oil or gas out faster and easier. But it you crack the tank, you start losing all you oil or gas. Why the f*** would a company be doing that. These operations only take place in the permeable rock that contains hydrocarbons. There is a science to it.
The fluids are only thickening agents to carry proppant to hold open the fractures inside the formation. These chemicals aren't doing anything really crazy downhole. To freak you out more, the government agency that oversees offshore operations allows them to dump them in the water in the gulf!
Yeah, but as some other undoubtedly unimposing dork said on page 2, TOUGH shite!!! The public deserves to know.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:44 pm to Lou Pai
And I bet that "unimposing dork" drives a Prius and not an American made pickup truck!!! 
Posted on 3/20/15 at 7:53 pm to mattz1122
quite a bit.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 9:22 pm to b-rab2
Chemicals used in fracturing:
Above the ground:
citric acid 50% as a pH buffer
Liquid Caustic soda as a pH buffer
Glutaraldehyde as a biocide
Phosphate ester or phosphonate scale inhibitor
In the pump process and in the well bore:
Guar gum polymers to ease pumpng and carry the sand/proppent
High Temperature polymer stabilizers
That's pretty much it
Of these the environmentalists will freak out about the glutaraldehyde but they typically only put 400-1000ppm in the water which gets quickly diluted and consumed
ETA: far more important is no more surface pits, everything goes in tanks and new standards for SWDs
Environmentalists should be FAR more concerned about pits and SWDs contaminating the environment and water table
Typically:
Water table: 10' to 500'
SWDs: 500' to 2000'
Fractured wells: 5000' to 20,000'
Above the ground:
citric acid 50% as a pH buffer
Liquid Caustic soda as a pH buffer
Glutaraldehyde as a biocide
Phosphate ester or phosphonate scale inhibitor
In the pump process and in the well bore:
Guar gum polymers to ease pumpng and carry the sand/proppent
High Temperature polymer stabilizers
That's pretty much it
Of these the environmentalists will freak out about the glutaraldehyde but they typically only put 400-1000ppm in the water which gets quickly diluted and consumed
ETA: far more important is no more surface pits, everything goes in tanks and new standards for SWDs
Environmentalists should be FAR more concerned about pits and SWDs contaminating the environment and water table
Typically:
Water table: 10' to 500'
SWDs: 500' to 2000'
Fractured wells: 5000' to 20,000'
This post was edited on 3/21/15 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 9:45 pm to supatigah
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This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 9:54 pm to Street Hawk
I don't understand how they have gone so long without revealing the chemicals used.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 10:06 pm to kfizzle85
The difference is the new regs will list trade names of the chemicals and thus HAL will know what SLB is using in certain areas and vice versa. Which they all already know anyway. Trade names will also provide MSDSs which list haz mat ranges of components in a chemical. Which they all pretty much know anyway
It is really about EPA adding a layer of regs where DEQs already operate. But the new regs are for a Federal lease only. It is expected that states will adopt the new federal regs.
I am all for it. Regs on water mean business opportunities for me.
It is really about EPA adding a layer of regs where DEQs already operate. But the new regs are for a Federal lease only. It is expected that states will adopt the new federal regs.
I am all for it. Regs on water mean business opportunities for me.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 10:08 pm to Asgard Device
They do disclose the chemicals to the DEQ to an extent. Now they will disclose yo the EPA for use on federal lands
Trust me, pits and Salt Water Disposal wells are FAR more dangerous to the environment than Fracking.
Trust me, pits and Salt Water Disposal wells are FAR more dangerous to the environment than Fracking.
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