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Posted on 5/1/16 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/1/16 at 2:50 pm to
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PeteRose
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I'm semi retired now at 38. It's kind of funny now that I think about it. I did not plan for it. It just kind of happened. But my way is not conventional way.


Is this a subtle brag thread or did you forget to post the next three paragraphs that come after "conventional way"?

Just curious because it seems like you retired unconventionally after a short career in which you mastered ambiguity.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
56114 posts
Posted on 5/1/16 at 6:08 pm to
Funny...I was just looking into this earlier today. what I found is that every year of early retirement will cost me one hell of a lot of cash in the scheme of things. take into consideration that income, 401K, pension, etc. all reverse directions cashflow-wise. all of that, I could deal with. what I find to be the biggest hurdle to retiring early would be healthcare costs, as there is a pretty big surcharge for every year that I retire early. basically gotta be 62 and eligible for medicare before it gets reasonable for me.
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
16924 posts
Posted on 5/1/16 at 6:17 pm to
Go back to all my posts and see if there's a pattern for "bragging".

The OP asked about early retirement and I gave him my opinions.

So to make you feel better, I'll reverse brag about myself to make you feel at ease. I have zero dollars in 401k and ira.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 5/1/16 at 7:04 pm to
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PeteRose
quote:

Go back to all my posts and see if there's a pattern for "bragging".

The OP asked about early retirement and I gave him my opinions.

So to make you feel better, I'll reverse brag about myself to make you feel at ease. I have zero dollars in 401k and ira.


Yeah so you basically posted and expected folks to use their MT Secret Decoder Rings to realize your message was merely the first clue that the actual back story that would be applicable to this thread was instead hidden within a cipher that requires the reader to travel back in time here online to read through your post history to figure out how you OH shite I JUST WENT CROSSEYED!
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119529 posts
Posted on 5/1/16 at 10:49 pm to
I made the assumption his non conventional way was that he inherited enough money to not have to work.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51916 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 2:02 am to
Yep


Or got some kind of disability payment.
Posted by PeteRose
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 2:52 am to
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I made the assumption his non conventional way was that he inherited enough money to not have to work.




I would think the same thing too if someone told me the same thing. But I have a few things going for me. Again, I have to list these to present my case so if it comes of as bragging, i apologize.

1. Not married(on the fence. she knows my stance)
2. No debt (I have mortgages)
3. My monthly expense is minimal
4. Eventhough I work 18-24hr/wk, I enjoy my craft so it doesn't seem like work.
5. Aside from my job, I have rentals properties(9 units total). I will pay one off in 3yrs, next one in 5yrs, next one in 7yrs. Once paid off, I will have similar to annuity for life.

Rent correlates with inflation so that is a good thing. I don't need to build nest egg to x millions since i won't be drawing from the nest. All I need to do is keep income > expenses. Might not be glamorous cause I can't brag about having x dollars in 401k or IRA or have a 5 mil net worth. But retirement isn't about bragging, it's about freedom and time. And that's why i choose this way.
Posted by Feed Me Popeyes
Baltimore, MD
Member since Apr 2008
2104 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:20 am to
I'm in the process of doing so.

To answer your question, look into the "Roth Conversion Ladder" as explained here. Between that and a decent balance in taxable accounts, I should have those bridge years between early retirement and 59.5 covered easily.

Other tips - focus on tax efficiency and be sure to maximize your HSA now to buffer against health care outlays once you give up your employer-sponsored care.

You will find nearly any answer to early retirement questions at one of these two forums:
LINK
LINK


Best of luck.
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16220 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:03 am to
I make 39 this year and I believe the only thing that will keep me from retiring early is health care. According to the government retirement age for me is 67. I sit at a desk for most of the day so my job isn't that damn demanding physically. One or two major health care scares and my retirement funds can vanish very quickly.

My dad is retiring this month after being an Operator for almost 30 years. He's 62 now and his health care premiums cost $1500 per month for both he and my mom who is also a retired school teacher. He can't get Medicare until he's 65. So for three years he will have to manage those high arse premiums. Hopefully, he won't have any major health issues during that time.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 1:30 pm
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2773 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:50 am to
Thanks for the intelligent replies, folks.

I still have a lot of planning and number crunching to do. My wife will have health insurance coverage for us, so that is a big advantage. The biggest disadvantage I have right now is future tuition for my kid (s). If my mortgage is paid within 10 years, I can work an extra year or two to have tuition covered.

For those of you with real estate/rentals....can the full amount of the interest cost be deducted as a business expense?
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2773 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:51 am to
And to my down vote stalker, thanks. Good to know I'm important to you.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2773 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 11:40 am to
The laddering info was something I was ignorant of. Good stuff.

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To access the money in the retirement accounts prior to standard retirement age without paying any penalties on the distributions, he can create something called a Roth IRA conversion ladder.

Thanks to the way Traditional IRA to Roth IRA conversions work, you are able to withdraw converted money five years after the conversion date, tax and penalty free. So in this example, assume that he converts his entire 401(k) to a Traditional IRA when he achieves FI and then, every year after that, he moves $9,750 from his Traditional IRA into his Roth IRA. He would only need to do this for five years before he could then start withdrawing $9,750 per year, tax and penalty free!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85138 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:02 pm to
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The laddering info was something I was ignorant of. Good stuff.


It isn't as cut an dry as that excerpt makes it out to be. You still pay the taxes on the amount you convert, you just don't pay taxes and penalties again if you leave it for 5 years.

The downside is that you may not actually retire early, so the accounts may not have the time required to make up for the taxes paid during the conversion. A 72(t) SEPP may be a suitable workaround for you as well. The money is still taxable but you don't pay the 10% early withdrawal penalties if you're careful. It may also provide more flexibility in your plan. Talk to a CPA and advisor though. Retiring is "scary" enough on your own, but doing it early is not something you want to do without careful planning.

There is an incredibly high likelihood that you'll underestimate your expenses and overestimate your investment growth, leaving you scrambling for jobs in your 70s.
Posted by Odinson
Asgard
Member since Apr 2014
2760 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:28 pm to
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But retirement isn't about bragging, it's about freedom and time.


I think pete gets it.


“People don’t want to be millionaires — they want to experience what they believe only millions can buy.”
"$1,000,000 in the bank isn’t the fantasy. The fantasy is the lifestyle of complete freedom it supposedly allows." TF

I've chase money for many years and made lots of it but as I get older, my perspective has changed and believe this to be very true.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2773 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:28 pm to
The penalties are the biggest hurdle I see that laddering would benefit me. I will look into the 72 (t) as well. I believe another poster also mentioned it.

Currently over 50% of our monthly take home goes to the mortgage and extra principle. Once that is gone we can live on far less, especially with my wife still working.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:15 pm to
I guess its possible to retire JUST off your IRA/401k early, but seems highly unlikely. Even if you max those out, you are still looking at 20k per person. And that isn't going to be enough to retire at 50.

You would need savings vehicles outside of retirement accounts. Or be able to live really cheaply.

I am on track to retire (actually financially independent) at 45 on 6 figures (now 42). Right now, my asset breakdown is 1/3 in retirement accounts, and 2/3 outside (brokerage, gold, house, LLC).

I am not particularly concerned about funding from retirement to 59.5. And i doubt I retire at 45. I suspect I will work until I am mid 50s.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 5:17 pm
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:19 pm to
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There is an incredibly high likelihood that you'll underestimate your expenses and overestimate your investment growth, leaving you scrambling for jobs in your 70s.


yeah, check out r/financialindependence/

They are talking about retiring at 30 and drawing 20k a year. Just not going to happen IMHO.
Posted by lsugradman
Member since Sep 2003
8594 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:55 pm to
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I guess its possible to retire JUST off your IRA/401k early, but seems highly unlikely. Even if you max those out, you are still looking at 20k per person. And that isn't going to be enough to retire at 50.


Don't forget about company match though which can almost double that 20k per year. The total defined contribution limit for 2016 was over 50k per year. And that amount doesn't include the 5500 per year you can contribute to a trad IRA.
Posted by 911Moto
Member since Sep 2013
5491 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:55 pm to
If you're funding 401K and any typical retirement avenues to the fullest and still have money left to invest, real estate/rental property seems to be a viable option for that type of time table. With interest rates as low as they are, 10 years or so is definitely enough time to buy a decent rental property and pay it off - especially if you're doing it with expendable income and don't need any immediate return on your investment, since this enables you to roll over the rental income right back into paying off the additional principle. Thus, 10 years from now you own it outright and have either a significant source of income for your interim retirement period OR have an appreciated assets that you can sell for a lump sum of cash to fund that interim. Another option, though a bit more risky than an outright rental, is buying a vacation home that you can utilize part of the year in addition to renting, and retire to in the future. Different avenues have different tax implications, but there are also options such as setting up an LLC for rental property ownership. Most of the people I know who are wealthy beyond their income level have achieved it through real estate.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2773 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 6:21 am to
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They are talking about retiring at 30 and drawing 20k a year. Just not going to happen IMHO


Some of the people are "tiny house" goobers. That's not for me. I want to draw more than that anyway, but if you combine modest draws, part time/freelance work, and no mortgages or debt...it seems very doable.

I think a better title for this thread would have been F.I., because it seems that is what most of us are after. For me, it's the option to work if/when/where I want. I want to be able to load up my kids in an RV and travel for extended periods of time. shite they will hate me for now but love later, ha.
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