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Dow Jones 30 Index closes at a new 2023 high

Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:35 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:35 pm
DJ30 closed at 35,950.89, up 520.47 points today.

Previous closing high in 2023 was 35,630.68 back on August 1, 2023.

The S&P500 Index is about 21 points below its 2023 closing high.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 5:15 pm to
Posted by SulphursFinest
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2015
10020 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 5:26 pm to
All of the boomers at work told me they can’t retire because their 401k was so far down
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130839 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:34 pm to
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All of the boomers at work told me they can’t retire because their 401k was so far down
It's possible their 401(k) is down from its all-time high but probably not by as much as the "boomers" are complaining about. And if those complainers have continued to make regular contributions to their 401(k)s the last couple of years, their portfolio balance is likely higher now than it's ever been.

The DJ30 Index all-time closing high was on January 4, 2022 when it reached 36,799.65, which is 2.36% higher than today's closing high.

The S&P500 Index all-time closing high was on January 3, 2022 when it closed at 4,796.56 which is 5.01% higher than today's closing.

Add in the regular contributions they've continued to make since January, 2022 and they should have record high balances in their accounts unless they chose only all long-term bonds as their investment option., in which case they be fu*ked...
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 6:38 pm
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3724 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:52 pm to
I'm down 12% from January 2022.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130839 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 7:08 pm to
Could you share your story with us, please.

For example, did you sell last year after the stock market tanked and then didn't buy back yet?

Or did you choose an unfortunate investment option in your 401k?
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15197 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 7:16 pm to
Last year about this time on this board the bears were predicting we would all be in the streets eating bread crumbs in 2023.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 7:37 pm
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
6352 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 7:41 pm to
great job Biden
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40134 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

The DJ30 Index all-time closing high was on January 4, 2022 when it reached 36,799.65, which is 2.36% higher than today's closing high.

The S&P500 Index all-time closing high was on January 3, 2022 when it closed at 4,796.56 which is 5.01% higher than today's closing.


I had the unfortunate luck to drop a big end of the year bonus into the market on the 4th I believe.

It hurt.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 7:45 pm
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2624 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 7:47 pm to
Who uses Dow Jones anyway? It's a stupid index. Dont get why it's still always quoted before S&P500.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60683 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 7:47 pm to
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this board the bears were predicting we would all be in the streets eating bread crumbs in 2023.


Bard is not going to like this post. LOL
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40134 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

Who uses Dow Jones anyway? It's a stupid index. Dont get why it's still always quoted before S&P500.



Like most things like this in life, because it's older than the others.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130839 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 8:27 pm to
I like using the Dow Jones 30 because it gives a different perspective on the stock market because unlike the NASDAQ and the S&P500 Index it is not market cap weighted.

So the DJ30 isn’t heavily dominated by 5 or 6 mega market cap companies such as Apple, Google, Microsoft, Tesla, Amazon and Netflix.

It contains 30 diversified industrial companies each with the same weight within the index. So, a $1 move in Caterpillar moves the index by the same amount as a $1 change in Microsoft.

But if referring to the DowJones30 upsets you please feel free to start all the threads you’d like to start and only reference the S&P500 Index. I look forward to reading your threads.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2624 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 8:28 pm to
It's not even market weighted just the average price of 30 big stocks.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15197 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

Bard is not going to like this post. LOL

You left out: HUSSS, Bama and a few others.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130839 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 8:33 pm to
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HUSSS
Now there’s a name I haven’t thought about in a long time.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89584 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 8:34 pm to
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I'm down 12% from January 2022.


TQQQ will do that to you.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
82017 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 8:40 pm to
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Now there’s a name I haven’t thought about in a long time.




hmmnnnnnn. i kinda miss DA BIG FELLA and the e-dick measuring contests, and the whataburger drive thru pics in that rolls royce. he was entertaining as shite.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89584 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 8:43 pm to
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It contains 30 diversified industrial companies each with the same weight within the index. So, a $1 move in Caterpillar moves the index by the same amount as a $1 change in Microsoft.


I’m fine with using the DJIA, among other indexes, but price weighted indexing makes essentially zero sense.

United Health Group is over 10% of the Dow. The top 10 stocks are something like 55% of the Dow.

I have no problem celebrating the DJIA, but it’s a highly flawed index. Being the oldest “broad” index doesn’t make it the best.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
10858 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 9:07 pm to
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All of the boomers at work told me they can’t retire because their 401k was so far down


Uh, our dollars are worth about 75% of what they were worth in January 2021. That might have something to do with it. If you look at your investments and see that you’re “up” 25% since the start of 2021, guess what? You’re not really up. You’re flat.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 9:09 pm
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