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Dow futures tumble 1,000 points as all-out oil price war adds to coronavirus stress

Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:01 pm
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3460 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:01 pm
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Stock futures tumbled in overnight trading Sunday as investors continued to brace for the economic fallout from the spreading coronavirus, while a shocking all-out oil price war added to the anxiety.

Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average plunged about 1,078 points, pointed to a more than 1,000-point loss at Monday's open. The S&P 500 futures indicated a 4% drop at the open. The sharp declines in the futures market signaled more turbulence ahead after a roller-coaster week that saw the S&P 500 swing up or down more than 2.5% for four days straight.

Saudi Arabia on Saturday slashed official crude selling prices for April, in a sudden U-turn from previous attempts to support the oil market as the coronavirus hammers global demand. The move came after OPEC talks collapsed Friday, prompting some strategists to see oil prices crater to $20 this year.

"Crude has become a bigger problem for markets than the coronavirus," Adam Crisafulli, founder of Vital Knowledge, said Sunday. "It will be virtually impossible for the [S&P 500] to sustainably bounce if Brent continues to crater," he added.

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Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:11 pm to
Not touching any funds, I’ll ride it out to $0. Yolo
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
51150 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:16 pm to
Im not worried
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3038 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:26 pm to
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"Crude has become a bigger problem for markets than the coronavirus," Adam Crisafulli, founder of Vital Knowledge..."It will be virtually impossible for the [S&P 500] to sustainably bounce if Brent continues to crater,"


This is the kind of incoherent mumbo jumbo that has become accepted as wisdom from our Wall Street sages. Cheap energy would never be a problem for our economy or our markets, if the energy was actually cheap and if market prices represented reality. The issue is that the marginal producers (fracking companies) for the last decade can't make money at anything close to this price. They've been steadily losing money while sustained by virtually interest free borrowing, which is where the real problem began.

Central banks have distorted market price signals (including the price of borrowing money, which is the most important of all) until they are meaningless, and that leaves economies sailing without a rudder and idiots at the helm. It's not impossible for the S&P to bounce; it could rise or fall a thousand points tomorrow and neither move would yield a single useful data point about our economy. But if some fool wants to pay me to borrow their money this week, I'm down for that.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 7:59 pm
Posted by CenlaLowell
Alexandria, la
Member since Apr 2016
1015 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:26 pm to
Buying in baby
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:37 pm to
does anyone remember oil falling this far in day before?
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
20721 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:38 pm to
Will this affect the used car and truck markets
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11434 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:52 pm to
Last time price of oil went South don't remember consumer prices doing likewise - less the filling station. Some mumbo jumbo about price points set far in advance - how convenient.

P.S. Yes sir, but we'll add a 'fuel charge' to the invoice when the price increases.

This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 7:55 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64028 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 8:05 pm to
That's all well and good, but after the Saudis put all the small timers out of business and eliminate competition, do you think they are going to keep production (prices) low?

If your answer is yes, you're wrong.

Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24151 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 8:14 pm to
They aren’t going to put everyone out of business the small guys are the ones that drive the market.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14468 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 8:14 pm to
what would be the best oil stocks to buy in the next few days?XOM , BP ? we all know this oil war will not last long.
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 8:15 pm to
In anyone else annoyed by the near constant hyperbole and sensationalism in news headlines?

Crashing
Tumbled
Plunged
All out war
Drowning in oil
Cratered
Nose-dived
Went belly up

and my all time favorite headline that I saw back in 2016-2017, I think some oil expert Dennis Gartman said, "Oil will never again be above $40 in our lifetime" - took all of 2 weeks for him to be proven wrong
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 8:16 pm
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24151 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 8:19 pm to
Fear is the real contagion. Going to stick it out and try not to look at my statements.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10266 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:01 pm to
Circuit breaker triggered. Game over for the night.

Tomorrow, I wonder if we hit the 7% breaker.

*ETA - we can still trade up from here, just not lower until opening bell.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 10:03 pm
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82031 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:14 pm to
Gonna be a fun day tomorrow
Posted by jerryc436
Franklin
Member since Jan 2014
517 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:18 pm to
I just need to decide what to buy. Probably buy a few names I already own to dollar cost average. VTI at top of my list.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10266 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:18 pm to
Yes indeed
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
20384 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:41 pm to
I shorted truck nut manufacturers
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36708 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 11:40 pm to
I’m not worried about my things — worried about 529 plan. Had just enough except for the last semester. She’s ending her first year in May and we were good for five more semesters. Not now.
Posted by LSUneaux
NOLA
Member since Mar 2014
4490 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 11:57 pm to
Setting my alarm for 2:58 am, to be awake to buy SQQQ at 3am as soon as the premarkets open.
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