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re: DJ down 550 today and over 1000 on the week, is it starting?

Posted on 2/5/18 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 2:39 pm to
If you're 32 years old this is a blip, IRAs are for investment over the 40 year long haul, don't try to time things.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89518 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 2:39 pm to
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Forgive me, I'm not big into investing. I just have a Roth IRA with the majority of it tied to the S&P 500 index. I invest a bit each month into it and never really pay attention otherwise.


Good. Keep on doing this. There is a magical mathematical concept you're taking advantage of (whether you know it or not) - it's called "dollar-cost averaging" - how this works is that your investments, the way you've structured them - automatically buy more shares when the price is (relatively) low and fewer shares when the price is (relatively) high - without you or the guy making your investment even knowing the difference.

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Should I be concerned? Should I make any adjustments?


No. Depending on your risk tolerance, you should remain heavily in securities (ETA: Of course I mean equities) until you are in a 60 to 84 month window prior to retirement - and then you should begin transitioning to cash equivalents or at least much flatter products if you want to take advantage of an expanding economy.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 4:50 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41584 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 2:48 pm to
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Ace Midnight


Very good advice. That's what I've always read and agree with. It's just hard to not get emotional and trigger happy with these huge selloffs and seeing my balance drop $1,000 a day.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35374 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 3:20 pm to
Keep in mind that you are still way ahead assuming you’ve had your account since like september lr before
Posted by Texas Gentleman
Texas
Member since Sep 2015
2620 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 3:42 pm to
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That's what I was thinking as well. I pulled what little bit I had in the market out in the crash of 2008 and I've regretted it ever since. It would've increased tenfold by now had I left it in back then. Don't want to make the same stupid mistake again.


Wait, you clearly admit at the end that you know you made a mistake from pulling out during 2008 and not getting back in fast enough and now you ask if you should do it again?

I saw lots of people pulling out ahead of brexit because “the markets were going to crash and burn” then I saw lots of people pulling out when trump got elected because “he’s going to be terrible for business and then the markets”. Like the poster above said, if you have a monthly contribution to a Roth/401k that just tracks the basic market like a S&P index or whatever, don’t touch it for 40 years and let it do its thing. Even factoring in the crash of 1929, you’ll come out ahead if you look at any point in history.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41584 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 3:42 pm to
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Keep in mind that you are still way ahead assuming you’ve had your account since like september lr before


Yes, I've had it since 2011.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82026 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 3:52 pm to
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trigger happy with these huge selloffs and seeing my balance drop $1,000 a day.
the relatively older guys here will tell you that's nothing. Probably multiple people that post here who've "lost" 100k+ since Friday. Like he said, don't worry about it and keep investing
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 3:52 pm to
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Even factoring in the crash of 1929, you’ll come out ahead if you look at any point in history.


The crash of Oct. 1987 was almost twice as bad as 1929.

DOW Jones
10/28/1929 -12.82%
10/10/1987 -22.61%
Today - 4.6%
Posted by YoungManOldMan
Member since Dec 2017
1882 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 3:55 pm to
How did the average joe buy stocks in 1929? Go to the bank?
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
7666 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:16 pm to
Took a $3600 hit today. Just went more aggressive w my stocks at RJ from 65/35 to 80/20 last month. Ouch.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:37 pm to
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How did the average joe buy stocks in 1929? Go to the bank?


In larger towns there were brokers, who somehow called or wired in the orders from their clients. I remember my Grandfather going to the bank to do something with stocks in the early 1960s, it was a small town, and maybe they had someone to handle orders, good question.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39578 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:27 pm to
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How did the average joe buy stocks in 1929? Go to the bank?




There's a lot of shite I'm shocked was possible before the internet. The PITA involved was astronomical.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19595 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:59 pm to
For clarification I was looking at selling funds in a 401k that I no longer fund and my Roth and leave the money in the settlement account.

Looking like I should have gone with my gut.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82026 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 11:04 pm to
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For clarification I was looking at selling funds in a 401k that I no longer fund and my Roth and leave the money in the settlement account.

Looking like I should have gone with my gut.

The problem is that, in the long run that is a losing proposition
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19595 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 11:07 pm to
How, if it settles out in a week I just pick back up the funds I was in. No money is lost. If it doesn't it just sits in the settlement fund until it finally starts to rebound and then I get back in.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 11:16 pm
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 6:18 am to
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the pain soon passes


LINK

Except when it doesn't.

Keynesian excess is notoriously agnostic when it comes to borders, language, and culture.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 12:14 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted by stonerolledaway
the villages
Member since Jul 2011
982 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 5:53 pm to
stocks on sale ...remember, when there's blood in the streets, buy, when there's dancing in the streets, sell, be a contrarian! Or...just stay in course, the only thing you have control over is the fact that you are saving and the cost of investments.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4090 posts
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:44 am to
Yep!

It's raining cats & dogs outside, but it's all sunshine on my calls and equity longs bought on Monday.

I tried (unsuccessfully) to do the same thing back in '87, when the weak hands panicked. But back then, the average guy didn't have access to the trading tech that is common now. Plus now, the exchanges are better equipped to handle high volatility.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:20 pm to
Crash, baby, crash!



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