Started By
Message

re: Diving deeper on Standard Lithium?

Posted on 8/30/24 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by ev247
Member since Nov 2022
479 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 2:08 pm to
These are some good questions. I’m not an OG here but I do tend to follow SLI pretty closely. Rambling off the top of my head,

1) I’ve seen new CEO’s work history with Koch/Georgia Pacific on LinkedIn but can’t find much else about him. However, the combo of Robinson/Mintak recently stressing on Joe Lowry’s podcast that Equinor isn’t playing around with this and has insisted that Standard adopt more “grown up” ways of doing things makes me vaguely optimistic about the new CEO.
2) I don’t believe Exxon has released their lithium concentrations yet. And Exxon plans to choose a DLE tech by end of year, per Patrick Howarth (their low carbon guy). Exxon has a small 6k acre project with Tetra, who has recently invested in DLE provider KMX Technologies.
Standard’s SWA project territory (leased from Tetra) is around 30k acres. And COO Robinson has said in Feb or May earnings that Standard’s East Texas project is expected to be a “multiple” of SWA.
3) Lanxess has officially opted out of partnering on Phase 1A and has also opted out of its lithium offtake. They’ve decided to only be a brine/infrastructure provider. Other than the royalty, these brine/infrastructure agreements are what mgmt says is the holdup. I saw Phase 1A as a stepping stone to the larger projects, but I don’t know how necessary it is now that Standard has Equinor as a JV partner and is running an actual commercial-sized DLE column at the demo plant now. Add in currently depressed lithium prices and I wouldn’t be shocked if they skipped Phase 1A.
4) The current SLI presentation estimates 2027 first production for SWA project and shows no estimate for Phase 1A first production. I’m inclined to believe the 2027 SWA timeline since Equinor is funding SWA development for now. Lithium sentiment may be hurting share price, but Equinor is helping share price stay irrelevant to progress by preventing the need for an equity raise.
On share price, I think it also hurts that many might still believe that Equinor bought 45% of SLI for $160M. And not knowing that Equinor potentially assumed 45% of the $billions in capex burden between SWA and ETx projects.
5) I don’t know the value of SLI’s leased acreage. I do remember that Albemarle offered over $4B for Liontown Resources last year when Liontown had one large project similar to Standard’s SWA. Similar NPVs. If I remember correctly that project was 12-18 months past it’s DFS being filed when Albemarle made the offer. Standard expects SWA DFS completion in 2025. ETx PFS in 2025?
6) The next royalty hearing is scheduled for 9/24/24. We’re more optimistic about this one since it is a joint application between SLI, Lanxess, Exxon, Albemarle, and Tetra.

If you haven’t, definitely check out Standard’s Equinor partnership presentation (Equinor has bought 45% project equity in the 2 large projects) and the new August Management presentation.

PS we’ve been told in previous earnings to expect to hear something from them on “larger” grants by the end of summer this year. Earnings should come end of September.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4891 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:31 pm to
Wonder if the run up on Thursday had anything to do this with

LINK

quote:

In an effort to support US critical minerals projects, the Biden administration is considering market intervention to counter the crash in prices of lithium and other key minerals caused by overflow of supply from China, POLITICO reported this week. An official from the Energy Department told the publication that the new policy would involve setting a price floor and agree to pay the difference when market prices fall below that threshold for critical minerals produced in the US.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30957 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

1) new CEO- is he a legit talent to get this to commercial production?

No clue. Only thing I know is what you can find online.

quote:

2) Exxon entry- are they just going to swallow up this whole thing? How do Exxon's 120K leased acres compare to SLI's? How did they get their hands on DLE tech?

It's not out of the question for them to select SLI's tech. I don't think they'll be able to swallow everything up with Equinor, Koch, Albermarle all being involved. I wouldn't be shocked to see Koch acquire the local chemical plant that makes some of the chemical reagents they need for their process. A lot of former Koch employees are working there now and the current owners are running it into the ground.

quote:

3) Lanxess-

I've been told that Lanxess is the hold up and trying to get a premium for the brine supply. SLI isn't going to pay a premium for the lowest concentration brine they have access to.

quote:

4) In a world where lithium prices hadn't cratered, would SLI be in about the same spot? It seems like they are always "2-3 years" away from production and nothing changes that.

It wasn't just the crash in lithium prices. It was COVID, inflation, skyrocketing interest rates and then a crash in lithium prices. I'm pretty confident we'll see commercial production by end of 2025.

quote:

5) What's a realistic estimate for a valuation someone would place on buying out SLI's leased acreage? Seems like if SLI can't get it together, then this is a reasonable exit strategy.

I would just be pulling a number out of my arse. Too many unknown factors at this point.

quote:

6) Royalty rates- what is the latest estimate on when this meeting will be held to settle this?


I was told by a very reliable source that it would be the end of July. They want it to be done and over with but you have some dumbasses that don't understand that they may end up with a higher percent of ZERO if royalties are too high. I personally think the 1.86% was reasonable to start with considering the immense cost of developing the industry. Many of them missed the boat on the big run up to $12.90 and are jealous of shite of those of us that made bank on it. They are willing to cut off their noses to spite their face. The commission understands the big picture and don't want to destroy what could be huge for south Arkansas, but there's a reason this area has never been able to grow.
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
3499 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 3:44 pm to
Quantitative Lithium easing?



Posted by tsmi136
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2011
4045 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:13 pm to
quote:

I'm pretty confident we'll see commercial production by end of 2025.
Needs to happen. Backing the truck up as we speak...
Posted by Elusiveporpi
Below I-10
Member since Feb 2011
2710 posts
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:32 pm to
quote:

I'm pretty confident we'll see commercial production by end of 2025


I’m assuming you mean through the demo plant?
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30957 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:40 am to
The commercial column they are operation currently. I guess they could show production well before that depending on the royalties. It would be a huge surprise to see their first plant up and running prior to 2026.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25212 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

It would be a huge surprise to see their first plant up and running prior to 2026.


SLI has had a culture of the slows no doubt for reasons beyond their control, but I hope against hope that that will now change to something far more dynamic.

SLI should have been the first, but alas that ship has sailed.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30957 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:58 am to
We have a new defense contractor in Camden, Element Space and Defense In addition to testing munitions, rockets etc, I saw where this site will test lithium batteries for performance and safety.
Posted by CarbonAce
Member since Apr 2021
325 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:15 pm to
This thing isn't budging price! Which makes me think royalty decision is going to send it one way or the other!
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 9:16 pm
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30957 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:00 pm to
They've been hiring a few more operators recently. That's the only update I have.
Posted by CarbonAce
Member since Apr 2021
325 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:47 pm to
Everyone’s thoughts with LAC and PLL delays! Is SLI in a better position as they are not actually in production yet! Will their partners and timeline set them up right?
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
3499 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:54 pm to
Elon could have had them producing as soon as the royalty decision echo dies. I don't think Mintak ever intended to see this to completion and I think the partners finally realized it too. I like the position they are in now if AO&G doesn't blow it.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:20 pm to
Why do you think Mintak never intended to produce? Crazy that he didn’t sell any shares in the run up to $12, he left a ton on the table…
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
3499 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:25 pm to
I think he wanted the outfit to be sold outright. But the lithium crash derailed that possibility.
Posted by CarbonAce
Member since Apr 2021
325 posts
Posted on 9/9/24 at 8:44 pm to
So on the upcoming royalty meeting, is it totally up to the AOGC, or will it be delayed by landowners wanting more?
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 9:33 am to
Looks like it could go sub $1 here soon... hopefully the royalty meeting is a game changer otherwise they might have to deal with the delisting threat.
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
3499 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 9:43 am to
Right now they are still a potential scam. I know the partners are real, but until a decision to build a plant is made, there is the possibility that this companies only value is in the leases they hold. Mintak wasn't able to prove the shorts who used his history against him wrong. I think we see a decision to build soon after royalty, the question the royalty answers is whether Arkansas or Texas is the location.
Posted by Boss13
Mobile
Member since Oct 2016
1845 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

Right now they are still a potential scam.


Hate this but you're correct. I don't want it to be the case but what does SLI still have going for it? Everyone is having success with their own DLE method. Schlumberger even has a successful system.

Equinor has paid lots of lip service to providing capital expenditures but what would they even spend it on at this point. Koch thought this was worth something at $7 a share. Has anything changed?

Does this whole project hinge on royalties? They are drilling a new borehole but why?

Me hopes they are playing things close to the chest because they have something big to announce soon.
Posted by KCRoyalBlue
Member since Nov 2020
1920 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 5:08 pm to
Not interested in a pissing match, but is the word "scam" being used a bit harshly here?

I've been in on this one since June 2021. Did I miss something or do you have serious concerns that their DLE technology/method isn't real?

Or do you think they're just slow-rolling the operation, in the hopes that they can just sell out and move on?

I actually just passed the 1k shares mark today, so definitely no whale here. Trying to remain patient, however, as I've been holding a good while here. Was hoping to make a few thousand and move onto something else, as this is my very first long stock hold.
Jump to page
Page First 909 910 911 912 913 ... 1015
Jump to page
first pageprev pagePage 911 of 1015Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram