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re: Diving deeper on Standard Lithium?

Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:45 am to
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13875 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:45 am to
I don't view it as near as much of a "slam dunk" as I did a few months ago. The Lanxess Q3 call, and the continued lack of JV news, really shook my resolve here. I sold the majority of my position in the $11-12 range a week or two ago and am holding on for dear life to my remaining shares to get long term cap gains treatment in Q1 2022. Hopefully though we get good news by then and I never sell those and even buy some shares back as the clarity on the company's future would be better at that point.

I always think back to the quote "Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered." Were we pigs holding on from the cost basis of <$3 that most of us have here? If you have long term cap gains on some of your shares here, I think taking some risk off the table is appropriate given the uncertainty imho. We may even see a return to the $10-11 range next week as traders chase a "short squeeze" (even though I don't think the short interest is high enough to cause that here, more like a mythical short squeeze that traders buy into regardless). So I sold enough shares that no matter what happens to the rest of them I made money and am just riding profits. I was way overallocated to this stock looking back and will never let that happen again with any stock as it's just too stressful. I was able to push my retirement forward by 5-10 years though from the gains here, so perhaps that was worth the stress!

If I had still had my full stack of shares, I might have panic sold everything in the crash on Thursday, but with my smaller position I was just able to laugh at it all off. You have to position size appropriately in these speculative stocks so you can be fearless long term as that's where the real money is made. A good chunk of my cash will go into VGT and SSIT.L as my index fund allocation going forward, but waiting for the market to crash before I do that (my overall bearish sentiment on the market was another reason to lighten my load here).

Looking back, you could have gotten similar returns by having your $ in other lithium stocks like LAC or LLKKF or other junior miners, so my advice is to spread your bets out and ride the lithium bull thesis from a diversified angle. I do have a small position in CYDVF as well. But the downside here, if the JV with Lanxess is off (not saying it is but just throwing it out as a hypothetical) would be severe to say the least. If you had told us back in March that we'd be in November with no JV news, many of us would've guessed the stock would've been sub $2. Without the huge rising tide of the lithium bull market, frankly we might have been there.

I do think SLI's tech will prove out over the long run, but Lanxess is clearly a poor partner. If SLI is to be nimble going forward, they need to convert the Lanxess relationship to be more like Tetra like in nature so they can respond more quickly to the market.

For my speculative allocation in my portfolio, I'm mainly diversifying into ORGN/NVVE/ASTS/SABS/HUMA/CYDVF/BRPHF at the moment. I hate biotechs but SABS probably has the most near term upside along with BRPHF (NASDAQ uplisting in Q1 2022 and Bitgo acquisition) amongst those picks. ASTS might have a dip in early December from delayed launch news, so I would not buy into that one for a few weeks yet here...
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 8:10 am
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
24785 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:04 am to
Thank you. general. I appreciate that response very much.

Long term lock it in and leave it, where are you putting your money? A lot of this money I made on SLI is going away to be forgotten for a long time.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96581 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:04 am to
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Very high risk but 10x+ returns if they "hit": ASTS, HUMA, SABS,


NAKD has really high potential with their merger with Cenntro.

And it’s trading at 69 cents so you can load up on thousands of shares on the cheap

The risk is it was the original meme stock and seems to be some manipulation by shorts trying to keep it down. But it the merger progresses as expected it should shoot up well above a dollar
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13875 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:12 am to
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Long term lock it in and leave it, where are you putting your money?


VGT (Vanguard technology ETF)
SSIT.L (space fund)
SpaceX shares (if I can obtain them on the secondary market)
ORGN
NVVE (maybe if they continue to get more and more new contracts signed)
maybe SLI (assuming good JV news)

ORGN is like the "anti-SLI". Stock price has been going down long term, plant construction is way ahead of schedule and under budget, massive cash on the balance sheet so no need for an offering for years. But the ESG tailwinds on that one are so so strong that I have a lot of confidence that it will be a huge long term winner and shed the SPAC slump eventually.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 8:14 am
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14026 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:14 am to
Well this worries me a heck of a lot more than the Blue Orca article. I think we will bounce back to $11s this week. I guess I will consider pulling it then and getting back into Qs and SPY or even GRZZX.
Posted by LSUGrad2005
Member since Aug 2018
724 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:22 am to
I bought a position in Naked the other day. I think it may take time for people to realize this is a real deal. Because of the meme thing awhile back.

Hopefully it does gain traction and run
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13875 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:29 am to
quote:

Well this worries me a heck of a lot more than the Blue Orca article


On the bull side, Mintak not having sold a single share is the most compelling argument at this point. If he had concerns about the JV or the long term prospects here, you would think he would have been unloading his million shares and options given the stock's meteoric rise this year. But he hasn't sold anything. I really really want to see him succeed, locals in SW Arkansas to get good paying jobs from this venture, and this stock continue to do well.
Posted by Hogwallop
Member since Jul 2021
413 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:35 am to
I'm a bit surprised you sold a majority of your shares 2-3 weeks ago without any disclosure in this thread. Unless meybe i missed it, but you stated in my LLKKF thread 2-3 weeks ago it was still ride or die with SLI.

Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1740 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:36 am to
Looks like I'm either crazy or patient... can't decide which one..

I'm still holding the big stack and bought some more on Thursday in the low $8's.

Other than this taking entirely too long I don't see where the fundaments on this speculative play has changed significantly.

Am I crazy or patient?

The price response to the short attack is interesting. Was yesterday a dead cat bounce or sign of good things long term? We shall see
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13875 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:39 am to
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Unless meybe i missed it, but you stated in my LLKKF thread 2-3 weeks ago it was still ride or die with SLI.


That was before the Lanxess Q3 call, which fundamentally changed my outlook here. I think LLKKF is in overbought territory and CYDVF is a better play at their relative prices.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13875 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:42 am to
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The price response to the short attack is interesting. Was yesterday a dead cat bounce or sign of good things long term? We shall see


Yeah it was at $9.8ish before the short report, so does it go beyond that next week or stay under that level? Will be very interesting to see. Alright I'm gonna be outside most of the rest of the day stringing up Christmas lights, y'all have a good weekend....
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 8:43 am
Posted by Hogwallop
Member since Jul 2021
413 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:51 am to
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Other than this taking entirely too long I don't see where the fundaments on this speculative play has changed significantly.


I still agree with you here. I just think it was overbought at 12.
Posted by ThatsWhatSheSaid69
Member since Aug 2012
93 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:56 am to
I still have my original 10,000 shares with an <$3 cost basis. They won’t turn into long term shares till January, so I’ll definitely hold them till then at least. I’ve made about $8000 selling covered calls over the last couple months, that helps out along with the swings. Don’t have any calls out right now(closed it out on Thursday during the dip).
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96581 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:08 am to
I’m steady loading up on ORGN and I agree it’s like the anti SLI.

I think long term it will be a big winner and I actually hope the stock stays in the range it’s been so I can keep buying more with profits until I get to where I want to be
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14026 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:10 am to
I am holding. The technology seems to be there. I have lost money on far worse plays than this.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96581 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:17 am to
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bought a position in Naked the other day. I think it may take time for people to realize this is a real deal. Because of the meme thing awhile back.


This. They are basically acting like a SPAC and Cenntro who already produces and sells electric commercial vehicles in numerous countries. Their expected sales in next 3 years is promising and I read there is talk of building a manufacturing plant in Jacksonville. If it gains the traction of other Electric vehicle companies in SPAC mergers it should end up trading between 5-10 dollars.

The high risk part is it needs to get above 1 dollar soon (within 5-6 months) to prevent delisting from Nasdaq. Some good PR and a rabid meme following could easily do it, just need the big wig firms to see the deal is legit and stop shorting it through dark pools which I believe is why it isn’t shooting up.
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7550 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:30 am to
this thread really got wild over the last month. On one hand, people were preparing for the ribbon cutting ceremony, buying every dip, and picking out their personal ranch in Montana. There was no doubt that this was going to the moon. On the other hand, people were also seeing the writing on the wall and quietly selling large chunks of their position.

I struggled a lot with interpreting the sentiment here. I think I knew that I should've sold 75% of my position after the earnings call was delayed near the beginning of the month. I just didnt listen to my gut. Lesson learned.

Maybe in the future we should temper our posts a bit more. Im sure there are a lot of casual lurkers that take the posts very seriously and have quite a bit of money at stake.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7579 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:31 am to
quote:

Someone on stockwits said Tetra just sold their SLI shares.


Hmm worrisome with the call right around the corner.
I'm still planning on holding through it.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96581 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:53 am to
quote:

Maybe in the future we should temper our posts a bit more.


Good one

Stocks are a gamble. The info here at the time it was posted was legit. Sometimes things don’t go the way you hope and I say that as someone who bought the hype and got in at 11.30 and lost my arse. Learned a lesson. It can be frustrating. Best thing to do is take your lumps and move on to better plays or don’t sell at all and hope things turn around.

My advice: don’t buy in after a huge rally changes are the momentum won’t continue. Do research on stocks and buy when they have a pullback.

With speculative stocks act like you’re at a casino. Only play with an amount you’re willing to lose don’t put yourself in financial trouble if things go south. If a stock goes up, and you don’t want to keep stressing, sell enough to cover what your initial investment was and then you cannot lose money no matter what. Play with house money.

Example: you bought 1,000 shares of SLI at 3 dollars. It goes to 9 dollars. You’re up 6,000 dollars. Sell 500 shares for 4500. Now you got your initial investment back plus a 50% return and still own 500 shares for the long haul and 0 stress.
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7550 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:02 am to
I didnt get in at $11.30. I made money but didnt make what I wanted to make. This was a set it and forget it stock, remember? We are all guilty of getting pumped about a once in a lifetime stock.

I still have 25% of my shares at a lower cost basis. Im going to let that ride for a while. If there are positive reports, I may add more.

I think everyone is right about not making a speculative stock such a large chunk of your investments.
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