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Destin Condo Math
Posted on 8/11/18 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 8/11/18 at 5:50 pm
First off, I know the predominant position of the board is to run from these. Point taken.
But my question revolves around this... several condos list gross rental that approaches $45-$50K on a $500K unit.
I am familiar with other markets, but would such numbers tend to net (excluding mortgage but including rental management commission, HOA, insurance etc....).
Just trying to get a better understanding of the math
But my question revolves around this... several condos list gross rental that approaches $45-$50K on a $500K unit.
I am familiar with other markets, but would such numbers tend to net (excluding mortgage but including rental management commission, HOA, insurance etc....).
Just trying to get a better understanding of the math
Posted on 8/11/18 at 6:01 pm to igoringa
That’s like 1% type numbers. Not enough juice in that squeeze.
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:29 pm to igoringa
Rental service 28 percent. Asso fees depend on the condo and number of bedrooms but figure around 600 per month. Insurance really isn’t to bad since much of it’s covered by the association but say 200 per month. You also need to allow for condo maintenance and repairs. Ours averaged about $1500 annually. Also if you’re using it in the summer it cuts into those rentals. And don’t forget several thousand in property taxes!
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:21 pm to 1609tiger
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1609tiger
Your numbers are way, way off.
Rental service is around 22
Insurance is around $75-$100
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:24 am to igoringa
Very interested in this thread
Posted on 8/12/18 at 8:04 am to igoringa
If bought in cash you are looking at a 3.5-6% return on 10% gross rent most likely. Financing you'll have to run the numbers on your own.
Your expenses are going to be about 35% and then you will have the management company at 18-25%.
I'm local and own and manage some fwiw. Not looking for any others to manage, just saying I have experience.
My recommendation would be to buy one that "updated" as they don't sell for much more than an outdated one, and the price to update is WAY more from what I usually see.
Your expenses are going to be about 35% and then you will have the management company at 18-25%.
I'm local and own and manage some fwiw. Not looking for any others to manage, just saying I have experience.
My recommendation would be to buy one that "updated" as they don't sell for much more than an outdated one, and the price to update is WAY more from what I usually see.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:57 am to baldona
I've never looked into this TOO deeply but sometimes I think people get into this just to be able to say "we have a condo in Destin"
Posted on 8/12/18 at 10:33 am to baldona
Thanks guys - baldona - is 10% gross realistic? A few listings argue they hit that but skepticism and all that.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:04 pm to igoringa
It’s all about timing and getting in at the right price.
I don’t think now is the right time
I don’t think now is the right time
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:14 pm to igoringa
This is one of the things Ive always wanted to do. I look twice a year and I can't make the numbers work. All the best case scenarios have me making a little bit and having a place to stay.
The oil spill/12 hurricane summers have me losing my arse.
Cant pull the trigger with these prices.
The oil spill/12 hurricane summers have me losing my arse.
Cant pull the trigger with these prices.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:25 pm to igoringa
Don’t forget it’s taxable income!!!
Posted on 8/12/18 at 4:15 pm to anc
quote:
This is one of the things Ive always wanted to do. I look twice a year and I can't make the numbers work. All the best case scenarios have me making a little bit and having a place to stay.
That's where I always end up and, that's using numbers where everything goes as planned, which never happens.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 7:48 pm to igoringa
I do about 15% gross with a one bedroom in orange beach. Different market and I got lucky with the one I purchased. Baldona has some good insight on this subject
This post was edited on 8/12/18 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 8/12/18 at 7:55 pm to igoringa
I've been looking at condos in PCB and have gotten several rental projections.
The units i'm looking at range in price from from $350k to 400k.
Rental projections are 30-35k per year
HOAs $700/month
Management fees 20%
The units i'm looking at range in price from from $350k to 400k.
Rental projections are 30-35k per year
HOAs $700/month
Management fees 20%
This post was edited on 8/12/18 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:54 pm to AUtigR24
there's very few that would be worth buying right now that would gross 10% or more, but they are around. It's no different than long term rentals, not a great time right now but deals can be found. I had a client show me some the other day that were 1 bedrooms across the road from the beach but beachview that were $199k-$225k and supposedly rented for $27k ish.
You have to be careful though, condos can be very picky as to what actually rents well. Plenty of people like to return to the same building, and each building has some units that do better than others. For example end units are usually better, corner units maybe, 1st floor can be terrible or great, etc.
But what I tell people is find a management company with multiple units in the building that are the same size as what you are looking at. Then get a second projection. That should give you a pretty good idea.
DON'T go off what a realtor gives you.
You have to be careful though, condos can be very picky as to what actually rents well. Plenty of people like to return to the same building, and each building has some units that do better than others. For example end units are usually better, corner units maybe, 1st floor can be terrible or great, etc.
But what I tell people is find a management company with multiple units in the building that are the same size as what you are looking at. Then get a second projection. That should give you a pretty good idea.
DON'T go off what a realtor gives you.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 12:32 am to baldona
Since I can't sleep, I'll tell you some more things.
What gets people generally is the maintenance and upkeep. It's not a primary residence so someone else is doing a lot of the work, sometimes almost all of it. Including things like installing a new fridge. $50-100 super easy job. Hanging a picture, etc.
Put in ALL LED's. The initial cost will easily be made up in maintenance fees from paying someone else to change a bulb for you and your electric.
But also, in short term rentals you have to replace things before they break. Beachfront AC outside system may only last 7 years. If you have an AC go out in peak summer and have to replace it, that's going to cost you big time. Furniture, appliances, etc. same thing. But I will say big things are done in bulk, like HVAC. We replaced a 5 ton HVAC system for $3900 total because the company did 35 units. That's a hell of a deal really, I see guys on here showing quotes for $8000+ for a 5 ton.
It's not major monetary expense, but I hear maintenance as one of the top complaints. But then guys don't want to come down to their vacation home and work. So you have to pay someone else. Seems obvious, but again I see it as one of the top complaints from men. It's not a major expense, but a couple $1000 a year depending on the size of the place obviously.
Basically, be prepared to pay someone else and monetize the cost to do almost everything you do around your own home.
What gets people generally is the maintenance and upkeep. It's not a primary residence so someone else is doing a lot of the work, sometimes almost all of it. Including things like installing a new fridge. $50-100 super easy job. Hanging a picture, etc.
Put in ALL LED's. The initial cost will easily be made up in maintenance fees from paying someone else to change a bulb for you and your electric.
But also, in short term rentals you have to replace things before they break. Beachfront AC outside system may only last 7 years. If you have an AC go out in peak summer and have to replace it, that's going to cost you big time. Furniture, appliances, etc. same thing. But I will say big things are done in bulk, like HVAC. We replaced a 5 ton HVAC system for $3900 total because the company did 35 units. That's a hell of a deal really, I see guys on here showing quotes for $8000+ for a 5 ton.
It's not major monetary expense, but I hear maintenance as one of the top complaints. But then guys don't want to come down to their vacation home and work. So you have to pay someone else. Seems obvious, but again I see it as one of the top complaints from men. It's not a major expense, but a couple $1000 a year depending on the size of the place obviously.
Basically, be prepared to pay someone else and monetize the cost to do almost everything you do around your own home.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 12:38 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 3:29 am to baldona
Not sure why this was down voted because it is spot on. Learn the ropes with a unit that you can drive down to. Be prepared to have issues with the cleaning crew. Most suck
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:36 am to baldona
quote:
baldona
I have another scenario for you. My wife and I are thinking of purchasing a place cash in a high rise or complex where there is the HOA and all of the maintenance is through the company who rents and manages the property. Major expenses are covered by the unit owner.
We are considering paying cash for the unit. The extra income is not what we are after. Long term we would move into this unit as our retirement place.
Good idea or terrible idea?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:34 am to CoachChappy
I always feel like this is a different situation entirely.
In my mind you are buying at todays price and having other people help you pay the ongoing maintenance and expenses till you are ready to move.
In all honesty i also feel like this is a decent reason to consider financing.
Todays price, todays rates, and if the numbers add up, you get other people to basically buy your retirement property.
my $0.02
In my mind you are buying at todays price and having other people help you pay the ongoing maintenance and expenses till you are ready to move.
In all honesty i also feel like this is a decent reason to consider financing.
Todays price, todays rates, and if the numbers add up, you get other people to basically buy your retirement property.
my $0.02
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:36 am to CoachChappy
Nothing wrong with it at all. The biggest thing you need to do, and this is all public record and most are pretty open about it, is talk to the property manager and get the repair schedules. There's a name for it but I can't think of it right now.
Most larger condo complex's have a 3rd party auditor type of company prepare a schedule to repair/ replace things. Such as the roof, elevators, pool, etc.
The HOA/ COA SHOULD be saving/ escrowing for those. Look into that deeply. You just want to get into something that's responsibly run.
Also, be mindful of the COA. Maybe try to attend a meeting if possible before purchase. If the meeting is a bunch of idiots yelling at each other with a cop there to keep order, you may want to avoid... COA's are generally easier than an HOA because there is no yards or outside personal space. But the idea is the same so keep that in mind, you have to be able to live within close quarters of other people without wanting to murder them.
The only other thing to keep in mind is like I said that condos replace things on a generally set basis to keep them running properly and looking appropriate. With a home you may hold off on replacing that 15 year roof until you get your first leak at 18 years. A condo will replace that 15 year roof at 15 years.
Most larger condo complex's have a 3rd party auditor type of company prepare a schedule to repair/ replace things. Such as the roof, elevators, pool, etc.
The HOA/ COA SHOULD be saving/ escrowing for those. Look into that deeply. You just want to get into something that's responsibly run.
Also, be mindful of the COA. Maybe try to attend a meeting if possible before purchase. If the meeting is a bunch of idiots yelling at each other with a cop there to keep order, you may want to avoid... COA's are generally easier than an HOA because there is no yards or outside personal space. But the idea is the same so keep that in mind, you have to be able to live within close quarters of other people without wanting to murder them.
The only other thing to keep in mind is like I said that condos replace things on a generally set basis to keep them running properly and looking appropriate. With a home you may hold off on replacing that 15 year roof until you get your first leak at 18 years. A condo will replace that 15 year roof at 15 years.
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