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Credit Rating Question
Posted on 5/23/13 at 4:17 am
Posted on 5/23/13 at 4:17 am
Trying to get my credit rating up and need some advice. At the moment I have a decent credit score, but nothing special. I have 3 credit cards with limits of $500, $2000, and $8000.
I have never defaulted on any payments or anything like that, but for some reason Capitol explitive One won't raise my original $500 credit limit. It might be because I don't use it that much, but it's annoying as hell with such a low monthly limit.
Don't you get penalized for canceling cards? If so, would my increase in average credit cancel this out? My average credit limit goes from $3500 with it to $5000 without it. I also hate just carrying around a card for no reason that I almost never use.
Thoughts?
I have never defaulted on any payments or anything like that, but for some reason Capitol explitive One won't raise my original $500 credit limit. It might be because I don't use it that much, but it's annoying as hell with such a low monthly limit.
Don't you get penalized for canceling cards? If so, would my increase in average credit cancel this out? My average credit limit goes from $3500 with it to $5000 without it. I also hate just carrying around a card for no reason that I almost never use.
Thoughts?
Posted on 5/23/13 at 4:43 am to FootballNostradamus
you can get penalized by closing a card because it lowers you potential debt to earnings ratio or something like that but if you don't use the $500 dollar one very much I don't see a drawback to closing it unless you have had it for several years.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 6:01 am to FootballNostradamus
Your average credit limit doesn't factor into your FICO score, which is the score lenders use. Closing it will lower your overall credit limits, thus increasing your utilization percentage if you have balances on your other cards. Keep a zero balance on 2 of those cards and less than 10% of the credit limit balance on the other if you want to maximize your FICO score.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 6:14 am to FootballNostradamus
Honestly I'm not sure there's anything to worry over. Yes, closing an account by itself indirectly affects your score b/c it increases the percentage of credit you use.
To use your numbers suppose you typically have a monthly bill of $1000 that you pay off in full each month. Your credit utilization would be 1000 / 10500, or 9.5%.
If you close the $500 card, then this ratio goes to 10%.
But typically it doesn't matter until you cross a certain threshold like 20 or 30% or something like that. Even then the hit is minor.
To use your numbers suppose you typically have a monthly bill of $1000 that you pay off in full each month. Your credit utilization would be 1000 / 10500, or 9.5%.
If you close the $500 card, then this ratio goes to 10%.
But typically it doesn't matter until you cross a certain threshold like 20 or 30% or something like that. Even then the hit is minor.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 6:51 am to JonTheTigerFan
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Your average credit limit doesn't factor into your FICO score, which is the score lenders use. Closing it will lower your overall credit limits, thus increasing your utilization percentage if you have balances on your other cards. Keep a zero balance on 2 of those cards and less than 10% of the credit limit balance on the other if you want to maximize your FICO score.
Wait you're not supposed to use your credit card frequently? I figured I'd get docked for NOT reaching my limit. I always assumed using as much of my limit as possible and proving I can pay it off would be the best way to increase my rating. Is that not true?
I routinely pay my bill mid-month so I can exceed my limit. Is that bad? I have plenty of money in my account, not floating debit, but I used to never use my credit card but then I committed to using it as often as possible to increase my rating.
Am I doing it wrong haha?
Posted on 5/23/13 at 7:00 am to FootballNostradamus
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Wait you're not supposed to use your credit card frequently? I figured I'd get docked for NOT reaching my limit. I always assumed using as much of my limit as possible and proving I can pay it off would be the best way to increase my rating. Is that not true?
From my experience and I think this is true: you never want to get close to your limit month to month. You want to stay in the 20-30% of the credit line.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 7:16 am to AUtigerNOLA
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From my experience and I think this is true: you never want to get close to your limit month to month. You want to stay in the 20-30% of the credit line.
Interdasting. So with a $500 credit limit I was supposed to only spend like $100 a month? So dumb.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 7:17 am to FootballNostradamus
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Wait you're not supposed to use your credit card frequently?
A lender is going to pull your report once. They don't know about your credit card activity. They are only concerned with age, limit, balance and of course late payments.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 7:23 am to HeadyMurphey
Do they care about the limits of the individual cards? I thought they just wanted to know what your total available credit was and what percentage of that you were using.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 7:33 am to FootballNostradamus
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Interdasting. So with a $500 credit limit I was supposed to only spend like $100 a month? So dumb.
It's not that you can only spend that amount each month, it's that lenders only want to see a balance no higher than that when they pull your credit.
Keep in mind that credit card companies only report to credit agencies once a month, so no one knows or cares about what you do for the rest of the month.
As for your OP, closing the card won't help your score, unless it is a very new card compared to the other two (the average age of your credit would increase by closing it in this case). I would just cut it up or lock it away somewhere.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 7:41 am to FootballNostradamus
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Interdasting. So with a $500 credit limit I was supposed to only spend like $100 a month? So dumb.
No.
Not usage.
Credit.
You can use 2000 for the month but only have a utilization of 50 dollars by paying off your bill mid month.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:53 am to FootballNostradamus
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So with a $500 credit limit I was supposed to only spend like $100 a month? So dumb.
You can spend up to that but it gets dinged a little when the credit agencies update their scores and your balance is close to the limit. I can't remember where I heard this(heard it several times) but I believe it to be true. I used to have a $500 credit limit on my Chase Freedom. I kept asking them to increase the line since I usually spend around 200-350 for gas, groceries and anything thats in the 5% back categories. Now its at $1,100. So I will be in the 20%-30% range monthly and not have to worry about it as much.
I suggest you use the higher credit limit cards and ask for an increase in credit line if you plan on using your cards often.
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 8:54 am
Posted on 5/23/13 at 9:06 am to KG6
credit card companies report a "snapshot" of credit utilization to the Big 3 every so often...so how much your balance is relative to your available credit will factor into your score
Posted on 5/23/13 at 9:17 am to ZereauxSum
I'll also add that if you are using your card regularly, it's easy to determine when your card company reports to the credit agencies.
Sign up for the free trial with MyFICO.com. You will be able to see your Equifax credit report. Find the last reported balance for the credit card, find that balance on your previous statement and you'll know when the CC company last reported you.
MyFICO only shows your Equifax report, but Equifax, TransUnion and Experian all get the exact same data file from your CC company, so it's a safe bet that they are all getting the same balance info on the same day.
Once you know that date, just make sure your balance is no more than 10% of the limit around that time of the month. Do that and you're golden.
Sign up for the free trial with MyFICO.com. You will be able to see your Equifax credit report. Find the last reported balance for the credit card, find that balance on your previous statement and you'll know when the CC company last reported you.
MyFICO only shows your Equifax report, but Equifax, TransUnion and Experian all get the exact same data file from your CC company, so it's a safe bet that they are all getting the same balance info on the same day.
Once you know that date, just make sure your balance is no more than 10% of the limit around that time of the month. Do that and you're golden.
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 9:18 am
Posted on 5/23/13 at 9:37 am to FootballNostradamus
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Wait you're not supposed to use your credit card frequently? I figured I'd get docked for NOT reaching my limit. I always assumed using as much of my limit as possible and proving I can pay it off would be the best way to increase my rating. Is that not true?
You want to use the cards at least sparingly, otherwise you chance the CC company just closing your account due to inactivity. You can charge as much as you want to the cards as long as you pay them off before the statement date so the CC won't report the large balance to the Credit Bureaus. Your score is a snapshot of your activity so even if you max out your cards this month, lowering your score dramatically (which it most definitely will) if you pay them off next month, your score will rebound to what it was before. I subscribed to MyFico ScoreWatch while I was building my house so that I could track my score. Having a zero balance on all my cards except one and less than 10% on that ONE gave me the highest score. If I let it get up to 20-30%, I lost about 20 points. When I maxed out my cards, I lost over 50 points. It's definitely a flawed system but one we have to deal with nonetheless.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 6:55 pm to JonTheTigerFan
Good stuff guys. I'll definitley have to sign-up for this MyFico thing. No wonder my credit rating never went up for the first couple years when I only had the $500 card, I was basically limiting it out each month and then when ever it got to its limit switching to my debit card. I thought this was me proving to them I needed a higher limit hahahaha.
Do yal know if your credit score only reflects US cards? I have a Singapore credit card a well, will that reflect on my credit score? They're unreal about limits there, think it's something like 15K so that'd def help if it's included!
Do yal know if your credit score only reflects US cards? I have a Singapore credit card a well, will that reflect on my credit score? They're unreal about limits there, think it's something like 15K so that'd def help if it's included!
Posted on 5/23/13 at 6:55 pm to JonTheTigerFan
Good stuff guys. I'll definitley have to sign-up for this MyFico thing. No wonder my credit rating never went up for the first couple years when I only had the $500 card, I was basically limiting it out each month and then when ever it got to its limit switching to my debit card. I thought this was me proving to them I needed a higher limit hahahaha.
Do yal know if your credit score only reflects US cards? I have a Singapore credit card a well, will that reflect on my credit score? They're unreal about limits there, think it's something like 15K so that'd def help if it's included!
Do yal know if your credit score only reflects US cards? I have a Singapore credit card a well, will that reflect on my credit score? They're unreal about limits there, think it's something like 15K so that'd def help if it's included!
Posted on 5/24/13 at 12:54 am to FootballNostradamus
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I have a Singapore credit card a well, will that reflect on my credit score? They're unreal about limits there, think it's something like 15K
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