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Converting IRA to Roth
Posted on 5/29/26 at 10:02 am
Posted on 5/29/26 at 10:02 am
Ok let’s talk. Anyone here has done or is doing this? What is your strategy?
Posted on 5/29/26 at 10:06 am to Daygo85
Make sure you don't convert too much to bump into whatever is the next tax bracket up for you
Posted on 5/29/26 at 10:16 am to MikeD
There are cases for converting up bracket. For instance, to avoid widow penalty, future IRMAA, or anticipating higher future bracket due to inherited traditional IRA with 10 yr draw down.
Especially relevant if already in 22% bracket and only bumping into 24%.
Especially relevant if already in 22% bracket and only bumping into 24%.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 10:23 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
Many people do it over several years after they've retired and their income drops. They fill up available lower tax brackets to a point and then repeat every year until everything is converted. Having money outside of the IRA to pay the taxes is the preferred method. Otherwise, you're paying for taxes with the IRA which sucks.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 10:24 am to Daygo85
I did it once in a low income year when I took a year off when my dad got sick. I think I converted an amount into the 12% bracket or whatever that second bracket was at the time. Btw that conversion also allowed me to get ACA insurance as it counted as income for eligibility.
I plan to do roth conversions when I retire in a few years but I haven't done any modeling to figure out how much etc. Just like before, the side benefit of doing roth conversions will help me be eligible for ACA until I can get on Medicare. That could be 8-10 years depending on when I retire.
It will be a balancing act of roth conversions, dividends/interest & capital gains and keeping ACA premiums reasonable.
I plan to do roth conversions when I retire in a few years but I haven't done any modeling to figure out how much etc. Just like before, the side benefit of doing roth conversions will help me be eligible for ACA until I can get on Medicare. That could be 8-10 years depending on when I retire.
It will be a balancing act of roth conversions, dividends/interest & capital gains and keeping ACA premiums reasonable.
This post was edited on 5/29/26 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/29/26 at 10:34 am to Daygo85
Instead of converting a massive traditional IRA all at once, make sure to spread the conversion over multiple years. Look at your current tax bracket and convert just enough to "fill" it to the top line without spilling over into the next bracket.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 10:36 am to RoyalWe
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Many people do it over several years after they've retired and their income drops. They fill up available lower tax brackets to a point and then repeat every year until everything is converted.
This seems to be the way to go. Actually most people’s income drops the first year they retire. And with no debt and the proper amount of investments that could be a good thing. Especially if you retire at 62 and have to shoulder the burden of healthcare premiums before 65 and medicare kicks in. My thoughts anyway.
This post was edited on 5/29/26 at 10:37 am
Posted on 5/29/26 at 11:25 am to Daygo85
Years following retirement up to pension and / or social security provide tax table space for efficient conversions. Use them all. Optimize Roth conversion time value of money with lifetime of taxes, incl IRMAA, NIIT, RMDs and passing on to your heirs (widow tax or kids at their future tax brackets). See Boldin as tool to analyze.
Standard deduction is your friend. Other taxable assets (eg, cash / equivalents) that pay interest and dividends are not, unless they are tax exempt (eg, tax exempt municipal bonds, money market).
Have a plan for how you will pay the ordinary tax on the conversions.
1. Cash / equivalents
2. Taxable assets (likely in combo with cash / equivalents
3. SBLOC (MB topic this week)
4. HELOC
In my present mindset, these are least to most risky / costly for our situation (wrt opportunity cost, LTCG if selling taxable assets, wealth transfer of these assets to your heirs).
Still thinking about this myself! 2027 will be first conversion.
Standard deduction is your friend. Other taxable assets (eg, cash / equivalents) that pay interest and dividends are not, unless they are tax exempt (eg, tax exempt municipal bonds, money market).
Have a plan for how you will pay the ordinary tax on the conversions.
1. Cash / equivalents
2. Taxable assets (likely in combo with cash / equivalents
3. SBLOC (MB topic this week)
4. HELOC
In my present mindset, these are least to most risky / costly for our situation (wrt opportunity cost, LTCG if selling taxable assets, wealth transfer of these assets to your heirs).
Still thinking about this myself! 2027 will be first conversion.
This post was edited on 5/29/26 at 11:27 am
Posted on 5/29/26 at 11:56 am to Everyday Is Saturday
Side note, be aware tax exempt municipal bonds count towards MAGI for IRMAA calculation and may impact % of SS taxed as well as ACA subsidies.
You probably already onew this but it may help others. I only stumbled upon this fact a few days ago while exploring withdrawal/conversion strategies and IRMAA impact for an elderly family member. It was a blind spot since I don't hold tax exempt bonds, still years from IRMAA not using ACA.
You probably already onew this but it may help others. I only stumbled upon this fact a few days ago while exploring withdrawal/conversion strategies and IRMAA impact for an elderly family member. It was a blind spot since I don't hold tax exempt bonds, still years from IRMAA not using ACA.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:16 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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tax exempt municipal bonds count towards MAGI for IRMAA calculation and may impact % of SS taxed
Thanks!
Yes, am aware. Have thru 2032 (2035 is Medicare year 1) to rebalance away from them to lower MAGI. CPA friend of mine warned me but appreciate your call out, as well.
I probably should have noted this above, OP.
Know IRMAA MAGI tables and they count 2-years in advance of Medicare.
PS, this is great example of WTH? Can we make what should be the most rewarding time of life of savings any more complicated? The hard part should only be the savings / investing! If I were king…simple rules the retirement!
This post was edited on 5/29/26 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:32 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
If it was simple, we wouldn't have the lamest hobby to keep busy in early retirement 
This post was edited on 5/29/26 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:37 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
Speaking of simplified tax code, I'm currently listening to this podcast while at the gym. The Great Retirement Debate Podcast w Ed Slott If we ran the IRS our first big change
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:39 pm to Daygo85
If you are still working, convert an amount each month and adjust your state and fed tax withholding at work to pay the taxes on it. A consistently executed plan probably wins this game.
If not working, maybe put off SS for a few years, maybe withdraw a little more from your IRA's some years and a little less the next to leave room for conversions, if you can make the math work.
If you are over 59.5 and still working and have a Roth 401K, maybe max that out and draw down your trad IRA accounts. It's the same math as a conversion.
If not working, maybe put off SS for a few years, maybe withdraw a little more from your IRA's some years and a little less the next to leave room for conversions, if you can make the math work.
If you are over 59.5 and still working and have a Roth 401K, maybe max that out and draw down your trad IRA accounts. It's the same math as a conversion.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:53 pm to CharlesUFarley
If still working most will find themselves in same or lower bracket in retirement and better off waiting to convert unless only in 12% bracket and already maxing all Roth accounts and HSA. That's a rare case since few in 12% are maxing all post tax retirement contributions.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:57 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
If still working, the tax rate on all conversion strategies is likely the same except in the case that you contribute to trad 401K, which kind of defeats the purpose.
Math works better if you can live on zero income for a few years after retirement and convert as much as possible then, but sometimes it is reasonable to just have a number in mind for how much Roth you want. It's not always about the best math.
Math works better if you can live on zero income for a few years after retirement and convert as much as possible then, but sometimes it is reasonable to just have a number in mind for how much Roth you want. It's not always about the best math.
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