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re: Buckle up for today's stock trading

Posted on 3/15/11 at 8:56 pm to
Posted by VolFanKT11
Knoxville
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/15/11 at 8:56 pm to
I took a beating today.

Can someone give me some advice on what to do with Activision?

I thought that Call of Duty and some other games would be could, but they have been falling ever since I bought it.

Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8154 posts
Posted on 3/15/11 at 8:59 pm to
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One percent intraday on a trade is a homerun.


This - especially when you consider what they actually purchase / sell your stocks at relative to what you were asking and assuming you are laying down $10k or more.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8149 posts
Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:39 pm to
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Do you have a link for your information? Thanks.


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Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 12:04 am to
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Can someone give me some advice on what to do with Activision?

I thought that Call of Duty and some other games would be could, but they have been falling ever since I bought it.

When did you buy? My (extremely) novice advice would be to buy more under $11, and stay in it. They had a bad 4th quarter, killed Guitar Hero, and they're moving on. They aren't going anywhere.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:40 pm to
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I am happy to make .50-.75% per flip net of fees.


Right. So if you can do that 20 times per year, on the low-end you make 10% before taxes. That seems really preferable to just always being in the market.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134844 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 7:25 pm to
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So if you can do that 20 times per year

More like 10-20 times per week.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 7:26 pm to
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More like 10-20 times per week.


So 10 times per week you can flip for 50bps?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134844 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 7:39 pm to
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So 10 times per week you can flip for 50bps?

25-50 bp's/flip. Yes. I've already done 7 this week for that much each time. Volatility like we've seen this week is wonderful!
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 7:52 pm to
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25-50 bp's/flip. Yes. I've already done 7 this week for that much each time. Volatility like we've seen this week is wonderful!


OK. So if you can do that, then you should never be "in the market" generically. You should be out of the market 99% of the time and using the other 1% to flip for 50bps.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134844 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 8:03 pm to
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OK. So if you can do that, then you should never be "in the market" generically. You should be out of the market 99% of the time and using the other 1% to flip for 50bps.

Okay, thanks for the advice.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 10:19 pm to
Just saying generically for anyone listening. I think it makes a lot of sense to take advantage of volatility like this in very small bites and keep most of your money "uninvested".
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 10:35 pm to
I've been trying to figure out how to describe my personal trading/investing theory and you just did it for me.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 10:38 pm to
As Jesse Livermore says, there are only about 20% of market days per year in which you should be buying stocks. The rest you should be doing research, holding onto your winners, selling short, or doing more research.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/17/11 at 11:59 am to
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As Jesse Livermore says, there are only about 20% of market days per year in which you should be buying stocks. The rest you should be doing research, holding onto your winners, selling short, or doing more research.

That's a bit too generic if applied to the market as a whole. Maybe within individual sectors though.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10959 posts
Posted on 3/17/11 at 12:28 pm to
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As Jesse Livermore says


Didn't he go broke 3x and die penniless?
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 3/17/11 at 12:33 pm to
I don't think he had it down to a science. I think the general idea stands, though, that there are more days that you shouldn't be buying than there are that you should.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 3/17/11 at 12:34 pm to
If so, I haven't gotten to that part of the book yet
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10959 posts
Posted on 3/17/11 at 1:01 pm to
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If so, I haven't gotten to that part of the book yet


I am not f'n with you, that is my recollection from reading about him some years ago. Boom, bust, boom, bust, etc. He was definitely sharp but may not have been able to adhere to his own strategy when it mattered most.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134844 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 9:08 am to
Your comments got me curious about what % "profit" I've had in my day trading since 1/1/11.

I keep all of my trades in my Schwab accounts on an Excel spreadsheet so it was easy to do the math.

My average profit per trade this year = 67 basis points. However, that is a distorted by one grand slam trade I made in February.

If I remove that trade my average profit = 28 basis points.

So my estimate earlier this week of 25-50 basis points was correct but on the low side, ignoring the really, really lucky trade.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:05 am to
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Your comments got me curious about what % "profit" I've had in my day trading since 1/1/11.

I keep all of my trades in my Schwab accounts on an Excel spreadsheet so it was easy to do the math.

My average profit per trade this year = 67 basis points. However, that is a distorted by one grand slam trade I made in February.

If I remove that trade my average profit = 28 basis points.

So my estimate earlier this week of 25-50 basis points was correct but on the low side, ignoring the really, really lucky trade.


OK. And is that just the average of profit of your profitable trades or the average profit of all trades? If it's all of them, what is your "hit" rate? And what % of your assets do you risk per trade? I suppose I'm saying that if your hit rate is very high (let's say "high" is anything greater than 60%), then you should consider doing very big trades in and out.

In a perfect world, the best way to run equity money would be to go 100% long or short the SPY in quick bursts. At all other times you'd be 100% cash.
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