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Best Vanguard funds for an investing novice
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:13 pm
Every month the wife and I have about $1000-1500 left over after we pay all our bills and mortgage. We already have a rain-day fund saved up and we both max out out 401(K)s. I do not have the time to research individual stocks, so I was thinking maybe we could invest out excess cash in some Vanguard funds every month (or other month).
Just wondering what Vanguard funds would be good starter funds for us. Also should we invest in the same fund each time or should we invest in a couple of different funds to get some diversification (are there Vanguard Funds for different sectors, countries etc.?)
TIA...
Just wondering what Vanguard funds would be good starter funds for us. Also should we invest in the same fund each time or should we invest in a couple of different funds to get some diversification (are there Vanguard Funds for different sectors, countries etc.?)
TIA...
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:12 pm to hikingfan
You can look at Vanguard's mutual funds here:
LINK
Well, are you looking to set up a Roth account or just an investment account? Many of the Vanguard funds have minimums at $5,000 or $10,000 and up, so if you start a Roth or two for you and the wife you will have a couple years of max contributions before you have enough money to buy into some of the funds.
Aside from that, IMO a good starting point is the STAR fund.
LINK
It's a consistent, passive, long-term slow and steady wins the race sort of thing even more so than mutual funds are in general.
LINK
quote:
Just wondering what Vanguard funds would be good starter funds for us. Also should we invest in the same fund each time or should we invest in a couple of different funds to get some diversification (are there Vanguard Funds for different sectors, countries etc.?)
Well, are you looking to set up a Roth account or just an investment account? Many of the Vanguard funds have minimums at $5,000 or $10,000 and up, so if you start a Roth or two for you and the wife you will have a couple years of max contributions before you have enough money to buy into some of the funds.
Aside from that, IMO a good starting point is the STAR fund.
LINK
It's a consistent, passive, long-term slow and steady wins the race sort of thing even more so than mutual funds are in general.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:24 pm to hikingfan
I set up a Roth. Target date. Minimum 3k I think to open. Maybe it was 1k. Going to get me funds as I save up the amount to open
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:36 pm to Huey Lewis
quote:
Well, are you looking to set up a Roth account or just an investment account? Many of the Vanguard funds have minimums at $5,000 or $10,000 and up, so if you start a Roth or two for you and the wife you will have a couple years of max contributions before you have enough money to buy into some of the funds.
I think together we exceed the AGI for Roth. I heard there is a work around for that, but I haven't looked into. So I am thinking of just buying the Vanguard funds through my stock brokerage account (I have accounts at both Fidelity and Merrill Edge).
I looked up some of the Vanguard funds and I saw a few with minimum investments of $1000 and $3000. Are the $5K and $10K better in some way?
Also, I do not have a feel for what makes an expense ratio 'high' or 'low'? I can't tell if 0.17%, 0.34%, 0.75% is high or low. Is there a rule of thumb to evaluate the expense ratios of these mutual funds?
Posted on 5/3/15 at 3:12 pm to hikingfan
Go look at the fees on a site that isn't Vanguard. You'll very quickly become acquainted with what high looks like :ok:
Posted on 5/3/15 at 3:23 pm to Joshjrn
VTSMX has a $3K minimum investment
Posted on 5/3/15 at 3:50 pm to lsufan_26
And they are saving in excess of $1,000 a month. I fail to see why we would limit ourselves to very low entry funds when they could borrow from their emergency fund or simply save for a couple months to hit 3k.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 4:06 pm to Joshjrn
I agree, I invest in it myself. I probably should have replied to the OP. I was just giving a heads up.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:11 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
Also, I do not have a feel for what makes an expense ratio 'high' or 'low'? I can't tell if 0.17%, 0.34%, 0.75% is high or low. Is there a rule of thumb to evaluate the expense ratios of these mutual funds?
Vanguard, by and large, is nothing but low fees. I don't know that anything at Vanguard is even at 1% and up. I believe all or most Vanguard funds are no-load as well, compared to many others in the market with ~5% loads.
LINK
And this is some commentary on expense ratio:
LINK
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 5/3/15 at 10:07 pm to Huey Lewis
quote:
Vanguard, by and large, is nothing but low fees. I don't know that anything at Vanguard is even at 1% and up. I believe all or most Vanguard funds are no-load as well, compared to many others in the market with ~5% loads.
LINK
And this is some commentary on expense ratio:
LINK
Thanks man
Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:39 pm to hikingfan
I think the answer really depends on how complicated you want to get. I have gone around in circles on this @ Vanguard & have settled on the following.
Start w/ Total Stock Market and Total International Stock Market. They're great, low cost ways to get your portfolio started. You really can't go wrong by putting money into these a little at a time over a long period of time. These are for the pure indexer and are already tax & cap gains optimized. I think you have to start here until you reach admiral shares ($10k) at minimum. Consider a split of say 2:1 US/Int'l.
Once you get $30k into your account, then you can start adding a few other things to play around & try to earn another few points.
Some of my favorite actively managed funds are
VDIGX - div growth that has generally outperformed the S&P
VSTCX - heavily computerized approach to small caps
VTMSX - small cap tax-managed -- great for an after-tax (i.e. not IRAs) account but I wouldn't do this until you get about $40k in your Total Market fund & say $20k in international just because you don't want to have a quarter or your portfolio in small caps. Requires $10k, hence the $40k/$20k/$10k split us/int'l/smallcap.
Listen to Paul Merriman's podcast or read his work on the Interwebs. He advocates for a "small cap value tilt" to improve returns over the long term, and I think if you dig into it, you'll see that the historical data suggests he's right. I did not mention the Small Cap Value fund above, but that's another great small cap choice as are VIOV and VTWV ETFs as long as you set a Limit price when you buy.
Just my two cents, but I would not f*** around with trying to get cute w/ small caps or a particular sector of the market until you have the basics established (total stock market & international).
Good luck.
Start w/ Total Stock Market and Total International Stock Market. They're great, low cost ways to get your portfolio started. You really can't go wrong by putting money into these a little at a time over a long period of time. These are for the pure indexer and are already tax & cap gains optimized. I think you have to start here until you reach admiral shares ($10k) at minimum. Consider a split of say 2:1 US/Int'l.
Once you get $30k into your account, then you can start adding a few other things to play around & try to earn another few points.
Some of my favorite actively managed funds are
VDIGX - div growth that has generally outperformed the S&P
VSTCX - heavily computerized approach to small caps
VTMSX - small cap tax-managed -- great for an after-tax (i.e. not IRAs) account but I wouldn't do this until you get about $40k in your Total Market fund & say $20k in international just because you don't want to have a quarter or your portfolio in small caps. Requires $10k, hence the $40k/$20k/$10k split us/int'l/smallcap.
Listen to Paul Merriman's podcast or read his work on the Interwebs. He advocates for a "small cap value tilt" to improve returns over the long term, and I think if you dig into it, you'll see that the historical data suggests he's right. I did not mention the Small Cap Value fund above, but that's another great small cap choice as are VIOV and VTWV ETFs as long as you set a Limit price when you buy.
Just my two cents, but I would not f*** around with trying to get cute w/ small caps or a particular sector of the market until you have the basics established (total stock market & international).
Good luck.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:34 pm to austiger
I just switched my IRA to vanguard. I have a 30 year window. These are the funds I chose:
VIGRX - large cap growth index
VTSMX - total stock market index
VMGIX - mid cap growth index
VISGX - small cap growth index
VWIGX - international growth
I am not a professional so take it for what it's worth.
VIGRX - large cap growth index
VTSMX - total stock market index
VMGIX - mid cap growth index
VISGX - small cap growth index
VWIGX - international growth
I am not a professional so take it for what it's worth.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 9:14 am to hikingfan
VABDF
Vanguards absolute best dinar fund
healthcare and REIT funds are good. depends what you want exposure to.
Vanguards absolute best dinar fund
healthcare and REIT funds are good. depends what you want exposure to.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 9:16 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 9:35 am to hikingfan
I have one of the Target Funds, 2055 I think, and it's been pretty good so far.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 9:46 am to Jcorye1
I have been following these seemingly weekly vanguard threads closely as i would like to do some investing but have no clue where to start. All of my money is in savings at the moment. How does one add to these accounts i.e. can you put money in at any time or do you have certain windows throughout the year that you can add to them? Also how do you eventually cash our or draw cash from them. I am really hoping that interest rates rise some this year so CD's become an option.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 9:48 am to Fat Bastard
quote:
VABDF
Vanguards absolute best dinar fund
I have some conspiracy theorist buddies who would be all over that, but for their conspiratorial irrational fear of putting any money in the stock market. It's a vicious cycle.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:04 am to bayoudude
I am not an expert.
Honestly, I signed up, gave them my bank information, and was able to put money into investments within a week.
Honestly, I signed up, gave them my bank information, and was able to put money into investments within a week.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:05 am to bayoudude
@bayoudude
send them a check, have it all go into money market
then invest in whatever you want or set up automatic transactions/exchanges to put $ in the market over time if you'd like. you can even do the same w/ withdrawals.
the options are many and very straightforward. put it on auto-pilot and go have fun with your life.
send them a check, have it all go into money market
then invest in whatever you want or set up automatic transactions/exchanges to put $ in the market over time if you'd like. you can even do the same w/ withdrawals.
the options are many and very straightforward. put it on auto-pilot and go have fun with your life.
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