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Firearms and ammo as investments
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:25 pm
Bad idea
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:44 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
In theory the transfer could be banned rendering them worthless upon your death
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:47 pm to Mr.Perfect
Whether something is legal or not doesn't make it worthless. Makes it far more valuable in certain circles. Maybe not practical and not something worth building a portfolio on but certainly firearms, etc. never lose value.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:49 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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No way they ever lose value, right?
This thought process has made many a man poor
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:53 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Machine guns have far outpaced gold in the last 20 years. At least that's my justification.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:58 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Most guns won’t beat inflation as far as value goes.
True collectibles can produce big gains, however you need to understand the market thoroughly. And what is a hot collectible can change.
Buy guns because you like them and if you make money that is a bonus.
Also, if you are buying guns to flip on a regular basis you could need an FFL.
True collectibles can produce big gains, however you need to understand the market thoroughly. And what is a hot collectible can change.
Buy guns because you like them and if you make money that is a bonus.
Also, if you are buying guns to flip on a regular basis you could need an FFL.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 10:53 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Did you not see the prices of firearms last October???
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:15 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
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Machine guns have far outpaced gold in the last 20 years. At least that's my justification.
That is because of the limited number available, only those full auto weapons made prior to May 1986 can be legally bought and sold, semiauto AR15s are still being cranked out by the thousands.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:34 am to UFownstSECsince1950
I bought several cases of Blazer 9 mm when Academy had it for $3.86 a box. It's now about $10 to $15 a box. Should have cashed in my retirement account and bought a truckload.
I also got heavy into .22 benchrest right before the shortage of that ammo. Had several cases of Wolf Match Target and similar that I bought low, but I held onto it during the shortage. I wanted the ammo more than the cash.
This was the only time I timed the market correctly, though by accident. And then I held on and didn't take the profits.
It can go south, however.
I know a guy who paid over $2,000 for an AR-15 in the shortage after Sandy Hook, and he was darned happy about it. Now some go for under $600.
Glock 15 round mags were $100 and over during the "ban". Then they dropped to $20 or so when the ban expired.
Also, some guns go out of style and don't have a collector following. You see plenty of old shotguns and rifles at gunshows that were nice in their day but just go for nominal prices now.
They can definitely be less than solid investments. And the more special or unique they are, the less liquid they are. You have to find that one guy with the interest and the cash to take that old Nambu or antique Winchester at a good price. You often see the same guns on a dealer's table at the gun shows for months or even years before they sell.
I also got heavy into .22 benchrest right before the shortage of that ammo. Had several cases of Wolf Match Target and similar that I bought low, but I held onto it during the shortage. I wanted the ammo more than the cash.
This was the only time I timed the market correctly, though by accident. And then I held on and didn't take the profits.
It can go south, however.
I know a guy who paid over $2,000 for an AR-15 in the shortage after Sandy Hook, and he was darned happy about it. Now some go for under $600.
Glock 15 round mags were $100 and over during the "ban". Then they dropped to $20 or so when the ban expired.
Also, some guns go out of style and don't have a collector following. You see plenty of old shotguns and rifles at gunshows that were nice in their day but just go for nominal prices now.
They can definitely be less than solid investments. And the more special or unique they are, the less liquid they are. You have to find that one guy with the interest and the cash to take that old Nambu or antique Winchester at a good price. You often see the same guns on a dealer's table at the gun shows for months or even years before they sell.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:49 am to Twenty 49
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I bought several cases of Blazer 9 mm when Academy had it for $3.86 a box.
I remember those days! Circa 2003-2004ish. The only time it was actually cheaper for me to buy loaded ammunition than reload my own.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:59 am to UFownstSECsince1950
I think higher end guns hold their value, I think from time to time you some guns hit a hot streak and there is money to be made in the short term, on average, I do not think guns are a good investment strategy.
There are many American made double shotguns with names like, Parker, Fox and Lefever and Winchester and certain rareer barrel lengths and gauges that are worth a lot of money, the market was really hot on these guns 10 years ago but the baby boomers are slowing down on these purchases and I expect a crash in values in the next couple of years. I will be sitting on the sideline with cash in hand when that happens...
There are many American made double shotguns with names like, Parker, Fox and Lefever and Winchester and certain rareer barrel lengths and gauges that are worth a lot of money, the market was really hot on these guns 10 years ago but the baby boomers are slowing down on these purchases and I expect a crash in values in the next couple of years. I will be sitting on the sideline with cash in hand when that happens...
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:34 pm to ODP
I'm surprised the market hasn't come down for the 9mm since the military is no longer in 2 active wars, plus the prices of metals have spiked and cratered since those halcyon days of CCI blazer ammo for less than $4.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:59 pm to ODP
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I remember those days! Circa 2003-2004ish. The only time it was actually cheaper for me to buy loaded ammunition than reload my own.
I still have a couple of boxes of Federal 150grain 30-06 that have a price tag on them of $5.99. Stuff goes for around $20 today. Ammo was cheap, cheap, cheap back in the early 2000's.
But firearms for an investment... Nah, too much risk of regulation and even if you get luck and end up something that turns out to be "collector" grade it's value won't outpace a typical investment vehicle. That and if you get something collectable, you wont be able to use it for what it was built for without degrading the value.
As for machine guns, good luck getting through that process. Check first that you live in an areas where the local Sheriff will sign off on allowing ownership before you go though any of the process to obtain one.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:13 pm to RolltidePA
Way back in the late ‘60s and early ‘70s we were buying Lugers, Belgian high powers for $75 to 100. Great shape with matching numbers.
Second generation Colt single actions for $150.
Still have a few but didn’t have the financial where-with-all to keep all.
Entry price for most of these is prohibitive now.
If you like it buy it but never expect to make a profit. Do it for you not for money.
Second generation Colt single actions for $150.
Still have a few but didn’t have the financial where-with-all to keep all.
Entry price for most of these is prohibitive now.
If you like it buy it but never expect to make a profit. Do it for you not for money.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 8:44 am to UFownstSECsince1950
I'm glad you're not in charge of handling my investments.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 11:01 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
At first glance, I thought you were talking about the stock price of Smith & Wesson, and others.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 12:16 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
I really don't think of firearms as investments firearms are heirlooms that you hand down to your kids. Once bought, never sold regardless of how valuable they become.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 8:02 pm to arkiebrian
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never sold regardless of how valuable they become.
LOL. My dad better not have a H&H ready to hand down when he dies.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 8:09 pm to arkiebrian
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I really don't think of firearms as investments firearms are heirlooms that you hand down to your kids. Once bought, never sold regardless of how valuable they become.
Most of my firearms were bought from the kids of friends that have passed on, might as well sell them and enjoy the money while you are alive or someone else will after you are gone.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 8:33 pm to EA6B
If you need the money...I guess.
Guns/hunting/2a is a big part of my family I'd never dream of selling them. Heck I'd never sell any of my parents' personal possessions passed on to me.
Guns/hunting/2a is a big part of my family I'd never dream of selling them. Heck I'd never sell any of my parents' personal possessions passed on to me.
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