re: All this so that Civics can cost 50k

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The mileage companies need to hit now and coming up were laughable and to get around them they just build bigger and bigger vehicles that meet different categories to get around actually needing to build more efficient vehicles.

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That’s interesting. Makes sense. I also think there is a general appetite for fuel efficiency such that epa mandates aren’t necessary. We’ve all gone through a few cycles of real gas price shock since Katrina I think most car buyers want better fuel economy if available.

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Newer features than what my car has I actually like/use are basically 1. Android Auto/Apple Carplay 2. Radar cruise control (only for long road trips though)

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Ha same. I basically went 20 years between buying a new car and the only features on my 2023 new car I use/like are:

1. Blind spot blinking light
2. Adaptive cruise control which I use about twice a year for 30-60 minutes
3. Heated seats because I’m getting old and turning into kind of a p-word.

Lane departure and auto breaking can absolutely get fricked, and I’d much rather stick a key in the ignition and save $800 on keys.

In any event - the cost of cars is a national crisis and stripping away the disposable income from most middle class Americans.