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re: 50% of millennials think they need $300,000 or less to retire in comfort

Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:29 am to
Posted by BHS78
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:29 am to
El Gaucho, stick to the penny discord
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:53 am to
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How TF are boomers, who are mostly retired, thinking that 750k is enough?



A lot of them have pensions, helps a lot. Not sure if they are really counting that in their $750k number as it's hard to put a value on a pension if you're just taking the monthly payout forever in retirement. There is a lump sum value, but if you're taking the monthly amount it's going to end up different.

Both my dad and my wife's dad mostly live off their pension they get for working for 30+ years for companies who had pension plans.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 11:58 am
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:01 pm to
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I largely agree with you although median household is skewed by higher earners


I think you're thinking of average household, not median. Median helps alleviate that issue. For example:

8 yearly household incomes:
$1.5M
$250k
$100k
$80k
$70k
$60k
$55k
$50k

The average household income of this group is $270k, the median household income of this group is $75k (middle of the $70k/$80k since they are #4/#5 on the list). Median is much more representative of a whole when there are huge outliers on the top end especially like you have with income.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 12:03 pm
Posted by STLhog
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Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:24 pm to
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Thay are actually out fighting the failed wars started by boomers and lived through two economic crisis.



Don't forget consumer price index and salary divergence that started in the 70s.

Wages have stayed more or less stagnant while cost of living has gone to the absolute moon in most parts of the country.

6 figures is not even close to what it once was.

That being said, I'm also in the camp of spending money while I'm young. I'm 32, I have done company 401k match my whole career, will only max this year for the first time and have about $50k in a Roth from when I was still eligible to contribute. I also have a company pension, which is pretty rare.

That being said, what is having 2-10 million dollars when you're 60-80? I already like travelling internationally less and less now that I'm not in my 20s and I know I will basically hate it then.

Travelling when you're old seems like it would suck. I want to be comfortable, live in a bubble, golf every day and be able to help my children/family when they need it.

Traveling extravagantly in my old age seems like the last thing I'm going to want to do.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
8000 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:35 pm to
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That being said, what is having 2-10 million dollars when you're 60-80?


Healthcare. Medicare has limits. But who knows what all that will look like in 20+ years time.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:42 pm to
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Healthcare. Medicare has limits. But who knows what all that will look like in 20+ years time

Boomers like bill gates and zuckerberg are gonna figure out how to live forever and when millenials start getting arthritis or whatever they’re gonna turn us older millenials into food for younger millenials

No need to worry about healthcare baw
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:20 pm to
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Healthcare. Medicare has limits. But who knows what all that will look like in 20+ years time.



Good point but a robust HSA can work well for that.

Although a healthy lifestyle should take me as far as I need to go. Anything after 80 is just getting greedy.
Posted by EverettScott
Denton
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:39 pm to
Millennials know they aren't retiring.
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:51 pm to
We like to call those "People" ......... WRONG!
Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:57 pm to
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Travelling when you're old seems like it would suck.


The proverbial to each their own definitely applies here, but statistics show the age group that does the most traveling is 60 plus.

There are tons of places to explore around the world. Why put a cap on that because you’re “old”?
Posted by JamalSanders
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:15 pm to
I'm figuring the wife and I need $5M by the time i'm 55. Each year positive or negative cost $250k. So $7.5M at 45, $2.5M at 65, and broke at 75.

I think we are around $300k at 30 right now.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:19 pm to
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Each year positive or negative cost $250k


You having kids when you're 55, buying a new car every year and still paying on a house?

Seems like a lot with no mortgage and kid bills no?

And you realize your money will keep earning money right? It doesn't just stop when you start withdrawing at 55.

5M in an account making 8% brings you 400k/year.... 5% is 250,000.....
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19330 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:44 pm to
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50% of millennials think they need $300,000 or less to retire

Technically they are correct on this. Government will just had out UBI stimulus.

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to retire in comfort

Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:09 pm to
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I'm figuring the wife and I need $5M by the time i'm 55. Each year positive or negative cost $250k. So $7.5M at 45, $2.5M at 65, and broke at 75.


Wtf lol
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:26 pm to
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The proverbial to each their own definitely applies here, but statistics show the age group that does the most traveling is 60 plus.



i think you are right.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:37 pm to
Present.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:31 am to
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I'm figuring the wife and I need $5M by the time i'm 55.

are you 15?
Posted by JamalSanders
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:54 am to
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are you 15?


30
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
8000 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 9:00 am to
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Each year positive or negative cost $250k.


Are you saying you spend 250k per year? Jesus.

Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71517 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 9:46 am to
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The proverbial to each their own definitely applies here, but statistics show the age group that does the most traveling is 60 plus.

There are tons of places to explore around the world. Why put a cap on that because you’re “old”?



I'll also add in most people travel more extravagantly in retirement (60+) for a couple very practical reasons:

1) They dont have people to support any more, and also have way more money (in total) now than they did when working in their 20s, 30s and 40s. (for those that did save/invest)

2) I'm not sure what jobs everyone here works, but if I had to take off 2+ weeks of work to take a more extravagant vacation, I'd rather quit my job than go back to the s*itstorm that piled up while I was gone. I get at larger companies people almost always have someone to cover for someone else, but I'm the only job title in my company that does what I do and only person largely that knows how to do what I do...so things just pile up when I'm gone, and it aint fun to come back to

So for practical purposes on #2, it's just way easier to travel for a long time when you dont have obligations like jobs and kids at home. So if you dont have kids and have a job where someone else can easily cover for you, thats awesome, but probably not something most can count on to take a longer vacation.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 9:50 am
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