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401k loan question
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:09 pm
A few years ago I took out a 401k loan to aid in the downpayment of my house. It was for approximately $40k and had a 20-yr payback at 6%. Roughly $300 is taken out of my check monthly and paid back into my 401k towards the loan.
I'm now in a position where I can pay the remaining balance of $37k at once. I have approximately 17 yrs left on the loan if I leave it open. My gut says pay the balance and get back that $300 each month. My thought is if I invest it, I'd need to generate a return equal to more than $300 monthly in the long run to make it worth it.
What would the Money Board do?
I'm now in a position where I can pay the remaining balance of $37k at once. I have approximately 17 yrs left on the loan if I leave it open. My gut says pay the balance and get back that $300 each month. My thought is if I invest it, I'd need to generate a return equal to more than $300 monthly in the long run to make it worth it.
What would the Money Board do?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:10 pm to MaxDraft
Pay it off. 401k loans are for broke people
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:12 pm to MaxDraft
Pay it back. If you ever leave your job you're probably going to have to pay it back all at once anyway. May as well go ahead and do it now.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:24 pm to MaxDraft
Like everyone else has already said, get that balance off your books immediately. Like right now; do not delay a minute, before you decide to do something else with that money.
If you change or lose your job, you'll either have to pay it back immediately or expose the amount you borrowed to taxes, which are astronomical in these scenarios.
Besides, the longer you have it out of that account the longer you'll have it uninvested, exposed to inflation and not working for you. You'll eventually have to get it back in there anyway, you may as well do it now and get it back working for you.
If you change or lose your job, you'll either have to pay it back immediately or expose the amount you borrowed to taxes, which are astronomical in these scenarios.
Besides, the longer you have it out of that account the longer you'll have it uninvested, exposed to inflation and not working for you. You'll eventually have to get it back in there anyway, you may as well do it now and get it back working for you.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:56 pm to MaxDraft
Absolutely pay it off now.
If you leave your company, you will have to pay it all back quickly anyways, and if you cant, it will become a huge tax bill. Might as well pay it back and not worry about it any more.
I know the the thought is "well as long as i have the money, i can pay it back whenever", but if you simply lose your job and cant get another one quickly, the last thing you'll be thinking about is paying off a 401k loan with what money you do have saved/invested on the side.
If you leave your company, you will have to pay it all back quickly anyways, and if you cant, it will become a huge tax bill. Might as well pay it back and not worry about it any more.
I know the the thought is "well as long as i have the money, i can pay it back whenever", but if you simply lose your job and cant get another one quickly, the last thing you'll be thinking about is paying off a 401k loan with what money you do have saved/invested on the side.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 4:17 pm to thunderbird1100
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If you leave your company, you will have to pay it all back quickly anyways,
Not true; it's up to the 401k plan to decide that. My 401k plan doesn't requires loans to be paid back early if you leave the company.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:50 pm to gpburdell
With that 20 year payback, he definitely has something different. Most that I’m aware of are 5 years max - although there are provisions that make allowances under certain circumstances (even if you’re below 59 1/2).
Probably best that he get more information from his plan provider before making a decision.
Probably best that he get more information from his plan provider before making a decision.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:03 pm to HarveyBanger
quote:broke people don't contribute to 401k
Pay it off. 401k loans are for broke people
Posted on 11/17/21 at 8:34 am to MaxDraft
quote:
My gut says pay the balance and get back that $300 each month.
Not true at all.
You're paying interest to yourself when you take out a 401K loan. So, in a sense you're not losing money or making money on that loan. You're just paying back yourself.
The PROBLEM is the taxes. When you are paying interest every paycheck, you are basically putting in after-tax dollars into a 401K that will come out eventually as ordinary income. ALL OF IT.
If you were to invest that money in stock, you would eventually be taking out any investment gains as capital gains taxed at a lower rate.
So, for example, let's say that over the course of the loan, you pay yourself $10,000 in interest payments. When you take that money out of the 401K (or IRA if you roll it over), the entire $10,000 will be taxed as ordinary income. And, THIS IS AFTER TAX DOLLARS THAT YOU PAID.
On the other hand, if you just put that $10,000 in stock over the next 17 years, you wouldn't pay anything on the $10K when you eventually sell and all the gain on that $10K will be capital gains.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/17/21 at 8:36 am to FinleyStreet
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If you ever leave your job you're probably going to have to pay it back all at once anyway.
True, but you do get until your next tax return is due (including extensions). So, if you leave your job in January 2022, you would have until October 2023 to pay it back. And, during that time you can still pay it back little by little.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 8:53 am to MMauler
quote:I don't think that's accurate. I think there's a deadline either 30 or 60 days.
True, but you do get until your next tax return is due (including extensions). So, if you leave your job in January 2022, you would have until October 2023 to pay it back. And, during that time you can still pay it back little by little
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:19 am to castorinho
The 20 year payback seems a little hard to believe.
4-5 years is usually the most common timeframe for a 401k loan.
4-5 years is usually the most common timeframe for a 401k loan.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:24 am to castorinho
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I don't think that's accurate. I think there's a deadline either 30 or 60 days.
It depends on the plan, but I believe most plans allow for this...
Effective January 1, 2018, if the plan loan offset is due to plan termination or severance from employment, instead of the usual 60-day rollover period, you have until the due date, including extensions, for filing the Federal income tax return for the taxable year in which the offset occurs.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:26 am to Paul Allen
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The 20 year payback seems a little hard to believe.
Special rule when the funds are used to make a purchase of a principal residence.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 1:50 pm to Paul Allen
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The 20 year payback seems a little hard to believe.
If to purchase a home you can get longer terms. I tried that and it was a PITA to prove you were using it for that. More heavily scrutinized than the primary mortgage. I finally just said WTF and did the regular 5 year amort.
Also many have said you have to pay it back or pay penalties & taxes on it if you leave your employer. Not necessarily true. Mine is through John Hancock and you can still keep the loan on it's original terms... JH just requires you to put it on auto pay.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:40 pm to ConfusedHawgInMO
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If to purchase a home you can get longer terms. I tried that and it was a PITA to prove you were using it for that. More heavily scrutinized than the primary mortgage
It was an extremely simple process for me. No issues at all and funds came quickly.
I scheduled full payoff this morning for the remaining $37k.
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