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Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:32 am
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
603 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:32 am
My wife’s company looks like they are starting a 401k plan. Which is good. However, they’ve selected Northwestern Mutual as the administrator of the plan.

I’ve not heard good things about Northwestern as they push insurance and other high fee products. From those with experience with them with 401k perspective will they charge participants an asset management fee for participating in the plan, high expense ratios or loads on mutual funds offered. I always try to minimize fees. Just looking for advice on how to minimize any costs that can be avoided.

Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4083 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 9:28 am to
That was the administrator of the plan for a company I worked for several years ago. I can’t recall any deep details about the fees or being overly dissatisfied. But I also don’t recall being sad when the employer switched to Fidelity. I think because the investment offerings were more to my liking. Course, then they dropped Fidelity after a few years and went with another not so great administrator. After I retired last year, I just rolled the balance into my IRA and selected the things that I wanted.

In your wife’s case, if the fees or offerings are very unsatisfactory, best to just invest enough to get the maximum match and pick the least dirty shirts out of what is offered. If and when she moves on or they switch administrators, just roll that plan into a R/O IRA or select better investments in the new administrator’s plan.

Other than making (worthless) complaints to HR, there’s not much she can do IMO.
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
1290 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 10:47 am to
My thoughts same as above. Get the match and invest in Roth. I would NOT go with target date plan. I would not do any bonds. I would do an index with low fees. But, I did my due diligence on these based on our situation so yours might be diff.
Posted by CecilShortsHisPants
One Foty Fo uh uh Magnolia Screet
Member since Oct 2012
2814 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 11:57 am to
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I would NOT go with target date

Target dates are the default allocation at most companies, and it pains me to see so many ill-informed young people wasting their retirement.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3375 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 12:12 pm to
I don’t get the doom and gloom re: Target date funds. They’re better than many other possible retirement plan options (first and foremost: not investing due to analysis paralysis).
Posted by CecilShortsHisPants
One Foty Fo uh uh Magnolia Screet
Member since Oct 2012
2814 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 12:32 pm to
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I don’t get the doom and gloom re: Target date funds

1. Historically, they have ALWAYS underperformed the benchmark S&P. During bull and bear markets. (Look at the charts for yourself if you don’t believe me.)
2. Their expenses are significantly higher than the benchmark S&P index funds.
3. Their dividend is often less than the benchmark S&P index funds.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24132 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 12:42 pm to
Target funds are not SP500 funds. That’s a false comparison.
Posted by CecilShortsHisPants
One Foty Fo uh uh Magnolia Screet
Member since Oct 2012
2814 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 12:48 pm to
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Target funds are not SP500 funds

Of course they aren’t. What’s your point. I’m making a comparison between the 2. Why pay more for less return?
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24132 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 2:56 pm to
Because they accomplish different things and provide a hands off risk management approach.

I don’t use target date funds but they are great for set it and forget people that aren’t financially literate.
Posted by CecilShortsHisPants
One Foty Fo uh uh Magnolia Screet
Member since Oct 2012
2814 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:17 pm to
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Because they accomplish different things and provide a hands off risk management approach. I don’t use target date funds but they are great for set it and forget people that aren’t financially literate.


With all due respect, I hear people say this all the time and it just makes no sense. Do you, or anybody really know what target dates are invested in? Other than 60/40 or 55/45 stock/bond blend? What types of bonds? What stocks specifically? Sure, you can dig and find out, but that’s not easy for a novice investor. So what makes a target date great to set and forget and a great hands off approach? They’re actually MUCH more complex than a standard US index fund.
On the other hand, I know EXACTLY what’s in my Fidelity S&P fund, and I argue that its actually much better to “set and forget for financially illiterate people”
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24132 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 6:30 pm to
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On the other hand, I know EXACTLY what’s in my Fidelity S&P fund, and I argue that its actually much better to “set and forget for financially illiterate people”


Yes, that SP500 fund is fine if you want 100% stock exposure forever.

You fail to acknowledge risk management.
Posted by CecilShortsHisPants
One Foty Fo uh uh Magnolia Screet
Member since Oct 2012
2814 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 6:42 pm to
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Yes, that SP500 fund is fine if you want 100% stock exposure forever. You fail to acknowledge risk management.

In theory, bonds are safe. In practice, they are not.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
14323 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 6:58 pm to
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1. Historically, they have ALWAYS underperformed the benchmark S&P. During bull and bear markets. (Look at the charts for yourself if you don’t believe me.)


So have most funds, not S&P 500 index funds.
Posted by CecilShortsHisPants
One Foty Fo uh uh Magnolia Screet
Member since Oct 2012
2814 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:05 pm to
quote:

So have most funds, not S&P 500 index funds.

Truth.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
14323 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 7:34 pm to
However, that is not to say that an allocated portfolio that under performs the S&P 500 is a bad thing for some people.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 3/23/24 at 10:22 pm to
Back to the OP, Northwestern does have an investment arm that offers funds etc. it’s ok.

Most 401(k) plans are high fee and lacking in good investment choices
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24132 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 10:18 am to
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Most 401(k) plans are high fee and lacking in good investment choices


I hear this often…personally, I’ve had great plan options with cheap fund fees from Vanguard and Fidelity. I avoid the DFA, Black Rock, et al with the higher fees.
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
1297 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 2:28 pm to
I agree. Two out of my three jobs have offered something decent along the lines of index funds or low cost mutual funds.

But I also had a job where it was like a state pension system and that money doesn’t grow near as much.
Posted by Crescent Connection
Lafayette/Nola
Member since Jun 2008
2017 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:26 am to
I think this allocation for anyone under 55 would bode well…

25% growth
20% S&P
20% mid-cap
20% small-cap
15% international

Whatever funds your plan offers, break it down into those segments. I was on the fence with international, but they are highly undervalued right now.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101312 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:31 am to
quote:

In theory, bonds are safe. In practice, they are not.



I'm coming to realize that there is very little utility to a bond mutual fund from a typical individual investment perspective.

That's not to say there's no utility to bonds themselves. Although, I still think that is quite limited as well.
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