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re: You're either a fan of LSU or you aren't

Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:41 pm to
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So we can't be fans of LSU AND hate our stupid as hell head coach?


Sure you can. I'm not saying that AT ALL.

I'm saying you can't root against the team to get O fired.

Well, you can, but then you're not a fan of the LSU football team. Even if you pretend you are.
Posted by OGTiger
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2005
2353 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:42 pm to
You are either delusional or youre not. You are!
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:43 pm to
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If you want a guy fired, you know what that takes.


Well, I know what some people think that takes. Well, to be fair to your specific point, it takes losing.

So, you root against the team ... (We had to destroy the village to save it.)

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This whole fricking thread is a pretense


Of just what, actually?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:44 pm to
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You are either delusional or youre not




Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79938 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:46 pm to
As we get closer most of us will be excited again. Ill go to the opener, but if we shite the bed it will prob be the first home opener i miss since moving to LA in 04.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:49 pm to
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Well, I know what some people think that takes. Well, to be fair to your specific point, it takes losing.

So, you root against the team ... (We had to destroy the village to save it.)


Bottom line. You admit you wanted Hallman gone.

This means you felt he was bad for the program.

This means that you did NOT want him to go out and win fricking 7 games and save his arse.

You can spin it however you like to make yourself feel better, but that's reality.

quote:


Of just what, actually?



It's a pretense because you acknowledge you've wanted coaches gone. That has a meaning. You want to pretend you ignore that meaning. But, we both know that unicorns and rainbows silliness.

If you believed Hallman was bad for the program, and after he lost 4 in his final season, hoped he would win out, YOU are the one who is anti-LSU.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:50 pm to
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This means that you did NOT want him to go out and win fricking 7 games and save his arse.


I wanted LSU to win EVERY game of the Hallman era.

Every...single...one.
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
7511 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:53 pm to
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Being a fan does not equal blindly following decisions made


Neither does it mean blind opposition. The level of misery this fanbase has reached is unproductive and rather embarrassing. I'm on record as being unhappy with the O hire and wanting a young, innovative OC but I'm not going to tear down the program because I Didnt get my way. When O starts losing, I'll call for his removal. Until then I'm going to get behind the team and hope for the best. All the vitriol aimed at O doesn't help in any way. Constructive criticism is one thing, deranged hatred is another.
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7029 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:56 pm to
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I'm a fan of LSU


So am I and have been since the mid-sixties.

quote:

I'm not a fan of LSU's administration.


I'm in that boat as well. Jumped on board at the end of the 2015 season when the powers to be decided to give Miles a second chance. And with that being said, I have always been a hugh Miles supporter.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68737 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:57 pm to
LSU fan checking in. Good luck getting those pussies to quit whining.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60013 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:14 pm to
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But, going forward, we just have to support the team. This is the team and coaches we have.


What does this mean? Seriously? Do you think because many of us are extremely pessimistic about the near future that we won’t root for the team? That we won’t wear our LSU gear? Go to games?

I’m sorry I’m not going to delude myself into thinking this is a championship staff because it’s the staff we have. I’m not going to root for another team, just like I didn’t root for another team in 1992 when we went 2-9. I didn’t find another team to root for when Johnny Jones was hired even though I knew that was going to be a disaster
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:19 pm to
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I wanted LSU to win EVERY game of the Hallman er
then you didn't want him fired

Sorry. You can't dance on that PIN
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60013 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:27 pm to
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Constructive criticism is one thing, deranged hatred is another.


So you are saying there’s no constructive criticism nothing but vitriol and hatred then right?

Sorry, I can’t undo years of experience watching and following football to just blindly think golly gee maybe this will work. There is Zero reason for me to think this staff will get us to an SEC title game. So I’ll root and cheer but I’m not gonna say this is anything better than an 8-4 program going forward.

Which BTW means we paid $9-10M of whatever it was to get of Miles and do no better than we had been doing
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

then you didn't want him fired


I called for his head FOR losing. I didn't want the team to lose so we could fire him.


(This is like counseling crazy people.)
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
92623 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:57 pm to
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Which BTW means we paid $9-10M of whatever it was to get of Miles and do no better than we had been doing




See? This I agree with.

There is (pardon the pun) ZERO justification for firing Miles to hire O. No way to make that smart.

When the decision was made, the hire HAD to be a slam dunk. ERGO, I'm categorically against firing O until Alleva is gone.

Period.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:58 pm to
You can be a fan or a lemming.


I know which I am. Which one are you?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
92623 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

You can be a fan or a lemming.





You're not a fan if you don't want the team to win - for any reason, no matter how much it makes sense inside your own head.

I was critical of Miles, particularly after 2011. I was critical of Cameron's entire offensive approach, particularly outside of 2013. I reluctantly supported a change, having no inkling that Alleva would actually eschew:

1. Bidding for talent

2. Negotiating


... and then have the unmitigated gall to ADMIT these things in public.

But, I don't want the team to lose to get that incompetent boob fired.

I have 1 football team.

Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 5:07 pm to
Well I never want LSU to lose. In anything. Ever.


But it's America. Coming on a message board and bitching about things I cannot control is the American way.

I don't understand those who don't accept and LIKE that.
Posted by Retlaw
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Sep 2013
1253 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 5:13 pm to
I never thought this day would come and predicted that it would not happen. I was wrong in thinking, surely O won’t do this...well he proved me wrong.

With the choice made, I will step back and withhold judgement until we see how the offense actually performs. Hopefully, E succeeds and things turn out awesome.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16057 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 5:13 pm to
One heartbeat
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