re: You're either a fan of LSU or you aren't

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Fair enough, but done is done. You either get behind it or you're part of the problem. I get having concerns - I certainly do. But, 1 team, 1 fight.

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totally agree.
It's time to get behind the team (in whole), if and when there are problems, react to them, but the constant negativity based on NEGATIVE FUTURE SPECULATION is not productive.

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I'd be side-by-side with you - IF it could influence things. The ship has sailed. The plane has departed. The gun is fired.

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There isn't a program in the nation that doesn't keep an eye on it's attendance, it's TV ratings and it's licensed sales. So, the above is just false.

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2. AGAINST the team, short-term, to get the hypothetically "perfect" coaching staff you have in your mind.

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Perfect? Perfect?

I'll take someone who isn't going to drive us into a ditch.

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Folks at 2. are not, period. I've been arguing with Negas my entire life (~50 years)

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Well guess what. The negas when Archer was here were right. The negas when Hallman was here were right. The negas when Dinardo was here were right. The negas in Miles last years were right.

So, you've been wrong a lot if you've been unwavering.

Alas, I'm also old enough to recall those and yep, for every last fricking one, we had people who supported those jokers to the day they got fired.

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FOR the team winning

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that means that O, E et al stay

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These 2 things contradict one another

I remember the hallman years as a kid so I k ow it can always be worse.

I don't see us getting that bad, but would like to have 10-11 wins each year. I don't think playoffs are possible each year, but a good bowl game each year isn't asking that much

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Well then you should know from experience that calling for a coach's head doesn't necessarily mean you're rooting against the team. How hard was that?

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Because Negas root against the team to cycle the head coach more rapidly.

Surely you accept this fact, even if you deny the practice yourself, right?

So, are you for the team winning 10 or 11 games next year, knowing that O will probably get an extension at 10 and a raise at 11?

Easy question - "For" or "Against"

I’m not a fan of anything lsu football has done this year

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Because Negas root against the team to cycle the head coach more rapidly.

Surely you accept this fact, even if you deny the practice yourself, right?

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I've seen a handful, sure. But to act like raising a fuss over this (at best) weak, lazy hire by default means one is rooting against the team is fricking asinine and you know it.

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So, are you for the team winning 10 or 11 games next year, knowing that O will probably get an extension at 10 and a raise at 11?

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I'm always for LSU winning. Are we talking regular season?

A 10 or (especially) 11 win regular season would be marked improvement, especially considering what we lost on offense. I could definitely live with giving this experiment a couple more years in that instance.

Of course I want us to win it all next year. Wanting that but also thinking we might not be taking the steps in the right direction to get there are not mutually exclusive ideas. And the conversation does not come to an abrupt end once “the decisions have been made”, rather the conversation has really just begun. Being able to raise questions or concerns in hopes of bringing about positive change is one of the principles that makes this country so great

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I'm always for LSU winning. Are we talking regular season?

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I think a 10-win regular season is a solid A-minus, wouldn't you agree?

But, 9 wins (like this year), and actually winning the bowl game (10) would still be improvement. I agree it's not time to start tap dancing. Alleva will probably find a way to give him a raise, but I'd extend him a year if he did that.

Obviously 10 wins (say close losses to the U and Bama) would give us an outside shot to make the SEC-CG and/or playoffs - certainly a Top 10 finish and an excellent bowl game to try to get to 11. Should O do that in 2018 (and, for the sake of trying to find points of agreement, I'll concede this is unlikely), that warrants at least a slight raise and an extension, with expectations of a championship/playoff run in 2019 or 2020. With current expectations, and O's resume (lack thereof), I think that's extremely fair.

Even if he's cheaper, if he's no better in the late teens than Miles was in the mid-teens, we need to move on.

Fair enough? But let's not root for him to fail to get us there.