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re: You have to ask yourself If Orgeron is hired can he maximize talent.

Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18134 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:33 pm to
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Just stop with this Coach O shite please, if he wants to be the HC tell him to build and maintain a G5 program first. Don't test him out at a top tier program just because he's a local guy.


agreed. Too big a risk to hire a guy that went 3-21 in conference in his only permanent HC gig.

Don't get me wrong, I love coach O. But he needs to go to a lower level school and kick arse. Then the bigger jobs will come.

But to give him the keys now is way too big of a risk. Interim HC is far, far different that permanent.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:34 pm to
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It's Herman or bust for me.


I hope Alleva doesn't feel this way.

I say give Coach O a short term offer. Would hate to lose the potential gain youd get with having him hoping Herman or Jimbo can do better. We went a long time with Miles under utilizing players and still being competitive. Whats 2 years gonna hurt with Coach O if he has shown great success as interim
Posted by 0jersey
Paradise
Member since Sep 2006
1838 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:35 pm to
Do you have a link to the yahoo story? I went to their site and couldn't find the article. I'd be interested in reading it.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18134 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:35 pm to
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Just stop with this Coach O shite please, if he wants to be the HC tell him to build and maintain a G5 program first. Don't test him out at a top tier program just because he's a local guy.


and remember that the Rant is full of emotional homers who worship at the feet of anyone wearing a purple polo on Saturdays.

At the beginning of the year, they wanted Aranda to be named head coach-in-waiting ....... before he coached a single down for us and in spite of the fact that Aranda hasn't spend a single day as head coach anywhere.

Such is the Rant.

And by the way, I love what coach O is doing and I love Aranda (so far). But that doesn't mean either is right for our HC job. We need a proven commodity.
Posted by 7nette
Member since Nov 2015
4909 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:41 pm to
top 5 level in what exactly? Not enough time to build his program? Look at Houston's record 2 years before Herman compared to his two years at the program.

2013 : 8-5
2014 : 8-5
(Tom Herman Hired)
2015 : 13-1
2016 :6-1
Posted by 7nette
Member since Nov 2015
4909 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:46 pm to
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Whats 2 years gonna hurt


How do you plan on recruiting someone as a HC with only 2 years under contract?

These Coach O for HC threads are a goldmine, it's like every time I think I've found the stupidest shite I've ever read, I scroll down the page and find something even worse.
Posted by Jonburris81
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2016
107 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:53 pm to
I wasn't saying make him your first choice. I believe that Herman is a star in the making. But I also think you can't ignore coach O if he gets this team to play a t a high level. I believe a coach and a good situation has to mesh for winning to take place. Saban wasn't who he is before coming from Michigan St. He was getting killed by Michigan and Ohio State every year. Yes Herman is priority Number 1. Fisher 2, then O.
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11096 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:55 pm to
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Give O a team friendly 2 year deal if Herman isn't available. Let's see what he can do. At the very least, he will put together some elite recruiting classes.


Was actually just saying this exact thing to an aggy co worker of mine who asked who our head coach is. I told him if we can't get what we want, make O a package deal and keep him as a temp coach until LSU can get a homerun deal.
Posted by extremelsu
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2013
3770 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:57 pm to
This team can win out and go undefeated and Oregeron isnt't the guy. He's a pefect interm coach but i would not want him having to develop and build a team
Unless he wins the national championship he can keeps the job
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18134 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:11 pm to
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I told him if we can't get what we want, make O a package deal and keep him as a temp coach until LSU can get a homerun deal.


idiotic. Recruiting would suffer huge with a temporary coach. And what kind of staff could a temporary coach get?
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9112 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:22 pm to
So tell me the all high holy one... What's so dumb about considering the guy that turned two teams around completely and the kids are responding to for the HC job at LSU?

For all the ones saying it's so different to run a program in the middle of a season is far different from taking over full time. What's so different about it? Of course it's different but what makes it that much more different?
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9112 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:27 pm to
I don't think you will see another first half like you saw this week either. That's what I like about the man, he tells it like it is and he makes them accountable for their actions. When they make mistakes he makes sure they are fixed and if they don't help fix it he sits them. He's bringing these guys together, you tell me who else could have done this? It's ridiculous to say he hasn't improved on what he did at OM. It's plainly obvious that he's a different coach now, much different.
Posted by LSUfan00
Member since Sep 2016
399 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:33 pm to
He couldn't do worse than Miles. And he won a lot of games. SO,,,, yes I think he can maximize the talent.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18134 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:33 pm to
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So tell me the all high holy one... What's so dumb about considering the guy that turned two teams around completely and the kids are responding to for the HC job at LSU?

For all the ones saying it's so different to run a program in the middle of a season is far different from taking over full time. What's so different about it? Of course it's different but what makes it that much more different?


An interim coach is coaching another guy's team, with the other guy's staff. (Now yes, I realize O fired Cam, so he gets credit there).

But the interim is using everything from the prior coach. The only thing he changes is attitude, and O is doing a great job there. The interim's main role is to keep the team emotionally intact.

A permanent coach is responsible for EVERYTHING: recruiting, hiring staff, game-planning, motivation, in-game strategy and tactics, media/public relations, etc. etc. etc. The permanent coach sets the path for all of this and has to ensure that it's executed.

O is doing very well as interim. He's been able to release the pent-up frustration of our players and we're seeing the results. He fired Cam. And he's handling the media well. So I give full credit there.

But it's still Miles' team and staff (minus Cam). It's just a far different animal when O has to create and run every single aspect of the program.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9112 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:35 pm to
If this man beats OM, Bama, Tam, and Arky there's no way you can say he doesn't deserve the job. I think he knows exactly what LSU wants and needs to be successful and I believe he would get it done. He would build our Defense into a dominate one with the help of Aranda and make sure we have the best OL and QBs to compete with anyone. He will get us the QBs we need, stack our fronts up, and have these guys playing together and having fun.
Posted by raginjeauxcajun
somewhere between here and there
Member since Sep 2010
502 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:36 pm to
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Just stop with this Coach O shite please, if he wants to be the HC tell him to build and maintain a G5 program first. Don't test him out at a top tier program just because he's a local guy.


Herman did not build Houston. Why give him the job?
Posted by FournetteForEver7
Member since Nov 2015
2295 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:37 pm to
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elite recruiting


He can onlt recruit the state of texas. We need a coach that can recruit the whole damn south!!!
Posted by FournetteForEver7
Member since Nov 2015
2295 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:38 pm to
Herman will never bring a championship to LSU
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
10595 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:39 pm to
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An interim coach is coaching another guy's team, with the other guy's staff. (Now yes, I realize O fired Cam, so he gets credit there).


Hypothetical question: you mention several times in your post that he is doing a good job at pretty much everything he is doing as interim coach. What if in hiring him the current staff stays intact? And he keeps the same "let the position coaches do their job" mentality? I think we all agree on his recruiting prowess. I don't see a drop off there at all from Miles to O. Of course the other option is to hire a new HC and get a completely new staff. Just asking, I'm still on the fence. I know I like our current staff.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9112 posts
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:41 pm to
So you believe all he's doing now is keeping them emotionally stable? Lol

He's doing all those things you just mentioned and has brought in a short period of time the people he thinks can get the job done best. He's doing a great job with the media. I haven't seen anything but positive things come from him in the media. He loves LSU and it's not just a job he wants to prove he's a great HC and he's doing that. I believe he will keep what has worked under Les and just change the things that hasn't. He will also mix in things that worked at his last two stops. Like I've said if the man beats or at least competes on the field with bama and beats the rest then he's going to be considered. LSU would be crazy not to consider him.
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