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you can't help feeling that your side is stupid when you go against conventional wisdom an
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:36 am
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:36 am
it's not working. Nick and Kirby win the toss and they always defer so they get the ball at half. this is conventional wisdom and it seems to work more often than not. coach K wants his offense on the field so when he wins the toss he takes the football. OK. Fine. there are good arguments for that - you want to score first being at the top. So we win the toss and take the ball. well, we could have scored first, but Coach K again defied conventional wisdom and eschewed the field goal. so we didn't get the lead.
i could go on but you get the picture. Many frustratings.
i could go on but you get the picture. Many frustratings.
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:57 am to stephendomalley
Kelly coaches like someone who has no faith in his team.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 7:58 am
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:59 am to stephendomalley
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So we win the toss and take the ball. well, we could have scored first, but Coach K again defied conventional wisdom and eschewed the field goal. so we didn't get the lead.
Based on how bad USC's defense was last season, I don't blame LSU for going for it on 4th and goal from the 3.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:01 am to Madking
Not how I see it. He thinks we can score on anyone. He also thinks we can score on 4th and short.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:03 am to KennytheTiger
So why didn’t he go for it on the 4th and inches or the 4th and 1 or 2?
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:06 am to loweralabamatrojan
quote:6 would be great, but after a long drive it's deflating to come away with nothing.
Based on how bad USC's defense was last season, I don't blame LSU for going for it on 4th and goal from the 3.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:10 am to The Mick
It’s the first drive of the season, why kill the momentum? Take the points and move on, there’s 3 1/2+ quarters to play. He does that because he has no faith we’ll get enough chances, because he doesn’t think we can stop anybody and he’s scared to play from behind. Like I said he has no faith in his team and that’s no knock against our roster that’s just how he is.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:15 am to stephendomalley
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it's not working. Nick and Kirby win the toss and they always defer so they get the ball at half. this is conventional wisdom and it seems to work more often than not. coach K wants his offense on the field so when he wins the toss he takes the football. OK. Fine. there are good arguments for that - you want to score first being at the top. So we win the toss and take the ball. well, we could have scored first, but Coach K again defied conventional wisdom and eschewed the field goal. so we didn't get the lead.
I have always been a defer preference and have been in disagreement with BK on this. However, with the new running clock rules most experts are expecting 2 less possesions per game. This season I have been leaning toward taking the ball for the following reasons:
Low experience level on Offense, need more time to get in gear.
Defense is suspect still. Would rather keep them off the field to begin the game.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:17 am to GetmorewithLes
You always defer. ALWAYS 
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. Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:18 am to stephendomalley
Yes he should’ve taken the 3 points.
But taking the ball first was not an issue.
But taking the ball first was not an issue.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:20 am to biglego
You’d think he would’ve learned his lesson after last year but when a person absolves themselves of all responsibility there’s no reason to ever change.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:26 am to The Mick
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6 would be great, but after a long drive it's deflating to come away with nothing.
This is my biggest disagreement with what Kelly did. Personally I take the second half option. I am not one of them hardcores that says you always defer to the 2nd half. There will be times when because of different reasons you may want to start on offense first but most of the time I want to start on defense. That argument that Matt Mascona keeps pushing that you end the half and start the half on offense and you get more possessions in the 2nd half by receiving the 2nd half kickoff is bullshite also. It won't always work that way depending on more factors than I can list. But making the choice of taking the kickoff and then coming away with nothing? That is down right deflating to the offense after a great drive and a boost to the defense that just got pushed around for 70 yards. No the smart thing to do is take the sure 3 points and take the early lead and momentum. I always lean to the more aggressive style of coaching and would take more chances than not, but not in that situation. Especially with a younger team, FG.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 8:28 am
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:26 am to biglego
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But taking the ball first was not an issue
It's a massive issue. Had he not done so we win the game.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:30 am to Madking
If Kelly had elected to kick the field goal on the first drive, you (and many others) would have been flooding the board with, "if he had faith in his team, he would have gone for it. Even if they didn't make it, they have USC backed up near their own end zone"
You and others would be saying that a touchdown would have won the game "if Kelly had confidence in his team instead of kicking the field goal."
You and others would be saying that a touchdown would have won the game "if Kelly had confidence in his team instead of kicking the field goal."
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:31 am to TigerKnights
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It's a massive issue. Had he not done so we win the game.
You talk like that is a absolute and it is not. If LSU defers to the 2nd, the entire game plays out differently. Unless it is the last play of the game one decision doesn't mean a absolute outcome. Because any move made and a earlier point will cause different decisions to made following that.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:32 am to BillF
That’s just a complete fabrication and my post history would confirm it.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:50 am to Madking
Unlike you, I don't live my life on a message board, so I have no interest nor need to check your post history.
As for me, I wanted him to kick the field goal because I had absolutely no faith that the offense could get the ball into the end zone. Kelly was the opposite; he actually believed they could score a touchdown. He showed faith in his team, not a lack thereof.
As for me, I wanted him to kick the field goal because I had absolutely no faith that the offense could get the ball into the end zone. Kelly was the opposite; he actually believed they could score a touchdown. He showed faith in his team, not a lack thereof.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:51 am to BillF
There’s no need to get ugly, you made a false accusation that’s all.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 8:53 am
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:56 am to stephendomalley
Quote from Nick Saban:
quote:
"I lost a championship the first year I was a head coach at Toledo, because I always deferred to play defense first," Saban said, reflecting on the 1990 season. "We played Central Michigan at Central Michigan and there was like a 40 mile-an-hour wind.
"At the end of the game, we tied for the championship instead of winning it, and we lost 17-16 or 15-14 - by one point - and we had the ball on the 20-yard line and had a good kicker, and he could not kick the ball to the goal post into the wind."
So if Alabama wins a toss and elects to receive, check the wind. It is a key variable in Saban's decision.
"f the wind's a factor in the game, the only way you can assure yourself of having the ball in the fourth quarter, if it's a close game, is to take the ball if you win the ball, because the other team will take the ball in the second half," he said.
"Then you can choose to play without the wind in the third quarter and have it in the fourth quarter. That's one factor.
"The second factor is, I take how our team matches up against their team."
He disputed the claim that Alabama almost always elects to receive.
"On the two road games this year, had we won the toss at Florida or Penn State, we would have played defense first," Saban said. "The wind wasn't a factor in either game, and I would rather let the momentum of the game play against our defense with their offense, and our offense doesn't have to go out there when everybody's as hyped up as they're going to be in the beginning of the game.
"I'd rather start the game with my best guys against their worst guys, however that turns out to be. That's the best chance to get off to a good start."
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:04 am to TigerKnights
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But taking the ball first was not an issue
It's a massive issue. Had he not done so we win the game.
LSU marched down the field to start the game. USC did nothing to start the third quarter. So no.
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