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re: You actually don’t want to be in the SECCG
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:22 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:22 pm to SammyTiger
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do they?
Have they said that? idk if the SEC clarifies, but throwing out a head to head seems pretty dumb.
Yes, it’s in the SEC tiebreaker procedure.
It’s not really dumb. Take a 3-way tie between LSU, UGA, and Texas. LSU holds the record vs. common opponents tiebreaker over UGA. Texas holds record vs. common opponents over LSU. UGA holds head-to-head over Texas.
Head to head in a 3+ way tie only applies if a team beat or lost to all other tied teams. Common opponents only apply to common opponents among all tied teams.
You work through the tiebreak procedure until you get to a tiebreaker that causes separation, then you reset and run through the tiebreak procedure again for the remaining teams (either at the top or bottom) that are tied.
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:31 pm to lostinbr
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A 3-way tie between Tennessee, LSU, and A&M/Texas gets decided by common opponents because LSU, A&M, and Texas would all have a win over Arkansas (who beat Tennessee). However, a 3-way tie with UGA in the same scenario goes to opponent win% because neither A&M nor Texas play Bama this year.
A three way tie with Tennessee and Texas puts us as #2 seed playing Texas based on Texas & LSU beating Arkansas and then by Texas beating Texas A&M.
A three way tie with Tennessee and Texas A&M puts as #2 seed playing Texas A&M, based on Texas A&M beating Arkansas and then Texas A&M beating LSU.
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So the scenarios where 7-1 LSU gets left out all involve a 3-way tie between LSU, UGA and A&M/Texas (most likely Texas) where UGA ends up with the best opponent win%. In that case, UGA gets 1st and it gets reduced to a 2-way tie for 2nd with A&M/Texas - both of whom would own the 2-way tiebreaker over LSU.
A three way tie with Georgia and Texas A&M puts us as the #2 seed playing Texas A&M due to LSU and Texas A&M having better opponents win percentage than both and LSU having beaten Bama.
A three way with Georgia and Texas puts us as the #1 seed playing UGA due to LSU having the best opponents win percentage and UGA having beaten Texas.
LSU wins out, they are in the SECCG. UGA can't really be helped in the opponents win percentage because most of the games involving their opponents are against another of their opponents (like Auburn/Alabama).
GEAUX TIGERS
Posted on 11/3/24 at 1:14 pm to Thorny
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Thorny
90% of what you said is basically the same thing I said.
However, this:
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UGA can't really be helped in the opponents win percentage because most of the games involving their opponents are against another of their opponents (like Auburn/Alabama).
..isn’t really accurate. I mean I listed a scenario in the post you replied to where UGA can have a higher opponent win% than LSU. Is it likely? No. But it is possible.
Games like Auburn/Alabama can’t increase UGA’s opponent win% but they can decrease LSU’s because, while UGA plays both teams, LSU only plays Alabama.
Games where an upset helps UGA’s opponent win%:
- Missouri @ Mississippi State
Games where an upset hurts LSU’s opponent win%
- Mississippi State @ Ole Miss
- Auburn @ Alabama
- Missouri @ South Carolina
Games where an upset both helps UGA’s opponent win% and hurts LSU’s:
- Texas A&M @ Auburn
If Auburn beats Texas A&M, it would take 2 more upsets from the rest of the list for LSU to get left out. If Texas A&M beats Auburn, it would take all 4 of the remaining upsets for LSU to get left out.
That’s assuming Texas beats Texas A&M. I don’t know if there’s any scenario where we get left out at this point if Texas A&M beats Texas.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 1:37 pm to GCTiger11
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A 3-loss LSU SEC Championship loser is getting left out
Despite the upvotes, this statement is simply wrong.
While a three-loss SEC runner up MAY get left out, to say it definitively would be left out is incorrect.
I can’t remember which game it was on yesterday, but the announcers spoke about this very issue with a sideline reporter who had participated in a “mock” selection committee session. Their answer seemed to be that a committee would not “punish” a team for losing an extra game that they earned.
I think the SEC will get three if not four bids.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 2:51 pm to Allthatfades
I like LSU. LSU could beat AM in a rematch or Georgia in the SEC title game.
Texas would be more of a challenge.
Winning the SEC gets a bye for the Tigers.
Texas would be more of a challenge.
Winning the SEC gets a bye for the Tigers.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 4:09 pm to bishop
A desire to not win and not make the SEC CG? What a loser. 
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:02 pm to Allthatfades
Nonsense. You do and we want to win it. Get the bye
Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:16 pm to lostinbr
So, I ran your scenarios and you are correct: It will take multiple specific upsets to knock an LSU that wins out out of the SECCG in a three way tie. All of that is betting on Auburn to win at least one if not both of their games against Alabama and Texas A&M.
Highly unlikely, but possible.
GEAUX TIGERS
Highly unlikely, but possible.
GEAUX TIGERS
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