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WW or MM, why can’t it be both.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:02 pm
As a 15 year basketball season ticket holder, and it being my favorite LSU sport, I don’t get why we have to pick a side. I loved Will Wade as our coach, especially his arrogance and the bad boy mentality he brought to our team. Unfortunately that same attitude is the reason he is no longer our coach, hate it or love it.
I also don’t get the giving McMahon a pass so easily. He is barely coaching, and shows little to no interest in doing the right things to finish out the season. The arguments this team didn’t have the jimmy and joes is a bit silly to me. We have an adequate enough roster to compete outside if the cellar of the conference. It being a roster issue went out the door when we lost to two teams in a week with similar or lesser talent than we have. We also dropped 45 in a half against aTm which is one of the best defensive teams in the conference, and played K State to a standstill on a neutral floor.
It’s disturbing to me how he has lost this team after the Alabama blowout. Stuff like not calling a single timeout going down 30 in a half to aTm is perplexing, but then calling them late in the game down 13 to try and make a last minute comeback.
You can be mad at WW I get it, but don’t use that as an excuse to support a coach that is clearly in over his head.
I also don’t get the giving McMahon a pass so easily. He is barely coaching, and shows little to no interest in doing the right things to finish out the season. The arguments this team didn’t have the jimmy and joes is a bit silly to me. We have an adequate enough roster to compete outside if the cellar of the conference. It being a roster issue went out the door when we lost to two teams in a week with similar or lesser talent than we have. We also dropped 45 in a half against aTm which is one of the best defensive teams in the conference, and played K State to a standstill on a neutral floor.
It’s disturbing to me how he has lost this team after the Alabama blowout. Stuff like not calling a single timeout going down 30 in a half to aTm is perplexing, but then calling them late in the game down 13 to try and make a last minute comeback.
You can be mad at WW I get it, but don’t use that as an excuse to support a coach that is clearly in over his head.
This post was edited on 2/18/23 at 11:10 pm
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Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:05 pm to MeanStreak
Will Wade will coach again at LSU.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:06 pm to MeanStreak
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He is barely coaching, and show little to no interest in doing the right things to finish out the season.
Best post all day, will read again.
This post was edited on 2/18/23 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:12 pm to MeanStreak
This topic has already been beyond exhausted and we still have 2 more years, at the least, of this. 
Also, I don't see anyone giving McMahon a pass for this season. I think his supporters are just saying see what he can do.
That said, I think even his supporters that say that are starting to become fewer in numbers. It's hard to support what we've seen over the last couple of months.
Also, I don't see anyone giving McMahon a pass for this season. I think his supporters are just saying see what he can do.
That said, I think even his supporters that say that are starting to become fewer in numbers. It's hard to support what we've seen over the last couple of months.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:18 pm to saint tiger225
Agreed. Many say you learn the most about people in times of adversity. That’s what makes me incredibly weary of moving forward with him as our coach.
“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” - MLK
He has not come close to measuring up.
“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” - MLK
He has not come close to measuring up.
This post was edited on 2/18/23 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:26 pm to MeanStreak
There are no McMahon fans just Wade haters who were hoping they could use McMahon to shite talk Wade.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:59 pm to MeanStreak
Wade will never coach at LSU again. That ship has sailed. After three years of the articles, speculation, suspensions, etc, it’s probably for the best for both parties. It’ll be a bummer if Wade ends up back in the SEC because he’s an upstart who is hungry (and will be even more so when he’s cleared) and us LSU fans will always ask “what if?”.
Now on the subject of McMahon, I do think objectively McMahon knows a great deal about the game. You don’t make it to this level without that knowledge. However, running a major program requires a more robust skill set. Aside from two seasons as a grad assistant at Tennessee 20 years ago, McMahon has been at a mid major his whole career including his time as a player. A P5 basketball culture is diametrically different than a mid major culture with few exceptions such as a Houston. It begs the question: is it better to hire an assistant from a P5 or a successful mid major coach? Wade and Oats both came to P5 as head coaches but they both understand what it takes to be successful at a major program.
I do wonder if McMahon is surprised at the difference between LSU and Murray St. He went 30-3 last year and to be fair, that’s a great record no matter where you are. However, is he trying to run LSU the same way he ran Murray St? If so, that’s not going to work.
As frustrating as this year has been for us fans, I’m sure that it’s doubly frustrating for McMahon and the coaches (at least I hope so anyway). Maybe McMahon realizes that he prefers the mid major path (nothing wrong with that) and takes a job in that area. That would certainly make it easier for everyone involved.
Now on the subject of McMahon, I do think objectively McMahon knows a great deal about the game. You don’t make it to this level without that knowledge. However, running a major program requires a more robust skill set. Aside from two seasons as a grad assistant at Tennessee 20 years ago, McMahon has been at a mid major his whole career including his time as a player. A P5 basketball culture is diametrically different than a mid major culture with few exceptions such as a Houston. It begs the question: is it better to hire an assistant from a P5 or a successful mid major coach? Wade and Oats both came to P5 as head coaches but they both understand what it takes to be successful at a major program.
I do wonder if McMahon is surprised at the difference between LSU and Murray St. He went 30-3 last year and to be fair, that’s a great record no matter where you are. However, is he trying to run LSU the same way he ran Murray St? If so, that’s not going to work.
As frustrating as this year has been for us fans, I’m sure that it’s doubly frustrating for McMahon and the coaches (at least I hope so anyway). Maybe McMahon realizes that he prefers the mid major path (nothing wrong with that) and takes a job in that area. That would certainly make it easier for everyone involved.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 1:42 am to MeanStreak
If you are a 15 year basketball season ticket holder and you don't understand that LSU does not give one shite if men's basketball wins games then I don't know what to do for you.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 2:27 am to Circle K Beggar
quote:Not sure what you are saying here but McMahon is not going to voluntarily resign and give up 14 million dollars to go back to a job at a small school for $500,000.
Maybe McMahon realizes that he prefers the mid major path (nothing wrong with that) and takes a job in that area. That would certainly make it easier for everyone involved.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 4:55 am to MeanStreak
I think people just freaking out on McMahon are also a bit silly. Any coach deserves a couple of years. Yea, he looks like shite. If anybody can’t admit that they aren’t being real. However, he absolutely deserves a couple of years.
And newsflash: we absolutely don’t have jimmys and we certainly don’t have joes. Adam Miller looks worse and worse every time he plays. Justice Williams legit sucks. Trae Hannibal can’t shoot outside of 12 feet. Derek Fountain prior to this year couldn’t even get minutes for 2 years at a bad SEC school. Juice Hill is incapable of getting past SEC defenders and if he does he’s way too small to finish.
I watch A LOT of college basketball and we have virtually no athleticism. How many blocks or dunks or exciting plays do we have? I watch other teams and we look so undermanned it’s insane. That’s where I get mad at people. I’m sure McMahon could have won 3-4 more games this year so he deserves criticism, but…our players suck too. He deserves a couple of years to show what he can do.
And newsflash: we absolutely don’t have jimmys and we certainly don’t have joes. Adam Miller looks worse and worse every time he plays. Justice Williams legit sucks. Trae Hannibal can’t shoot outside of 12 feet. Derek Fountain prior to this year couldn’t even get minutes for 2 years at a bad SEC school. Juice Hill is incapable of getting past SEC defenders and if he does he’s way too small to finish.
I watch A LOT of college basketball and we have virtually no athleticism. How many blocks or dunks or exciting plays do we have? I watch other teams and we look so undermanned it’s insane. That’s where I get mad at people. I’m sure McMahon could have won 3-4 more games this year so he deserves criticism, but…our players suck too. He deserves a couple of years to show what he can do.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 7:34 am to LSUButt
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Adam Miller looks worse and worse every time he plays. Justice Williams legit sucks. Trae Hannibal can’t shoot outside of 12 feet. Derek Fountain prior to this year couldn’t even get minutes for 2 years at a bad SEC school. Juice Hill is incapable of getting past SEC defenders and if he does he’s way too small to finish.
Great synopsis … and the comment about lacking athleticism is spot-on. The one thing the SEC has always been known for is high flying athletes and we don’t have them.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 7:33 pm to LSUButt
I am sure he will get another year and be coaching LSU next year but what makes you think he can get better players? Who would want to come here now? How much money can you raise for basketball after everyone has lost interest and are now apathetic. Believe me there is only one thing I want - a competitive LSU basketball team and if somehow McMahon pulls off a miracle and grabs some good players out of the portal then I will be praising him for it. But just like the current team, I have lost the faith.
Posted on 2/19/23 at 10:19 pm to Tom Bronco
News flash if the players suck he is getting paid to make them better,that's his JOB he wanted this JOB so he needs to do his JOB .He wanted the players that he got so he needs to do his JOB and make them better which he is not doing so if he can't do his JOB he must go!
Posted on 2/20/23 at 7:32 am to LSUButt
Yeah, there's SOME truth to this, but there is NOTHING in the pipeline talent wise to change it.
He doesn't seem to be much of a recruiter either. We don't have 4* and 5* guys headed our way.
He doesn't seem to be much of a recruiter either. We don't have 4* and 5* guys headed our way.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 7:38 am to HarrisonTown
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Yeah, there's SOME truth to this, but there is NOTHING in the pipeline talent wise to change it.
He doesn't seem to be much of a recruiter either. We don't have 4* and 5* guys headed our way.
Heard we just a commitment from this guy at center.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 8:22 am to TigerOnTheMountain
I wish this was true but Scott Woodward is to blame 100%! Here fired Wade, he wanted his own guy! He bowed down to the media and the likes of Dickie V and Pat Forde!!!! All this nonsense of protecting the integrity of the LSU athletic department was straight up horse shite!!! Woodward dropped the damn ball here!!!!!!
Posted on 2/20/23 at 9:53 am to LSUButt
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I think people just freaking out on McMahon are also a bit silly. Any coach deserves a couple of years. Yea, he looks like shite. If anybody can’t admit that they aren’t being real. However, he absolutely deserves a couple of years.
"Deserve" is relative. Sometimes in life, beyond college basketball coaching, it becomes readily apparent very quickly if something is not going to work out. A significant other a few months into dating, a new employee, a business relationship, etc. So I don't 100% subscribe to the notion someone "deserves" more time if it is very clear right away things aren't going to work out.
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And newsflash: we absolutely don’t have jimmys and we certainly don’t have joes.
To compete for an SEC title, or be a lock for the NCAA Tournament. No. But NO ONE expected that going into the season. However, it is also accurate to say NO ONE (at least those who follow college basketball for more than a week of two of the year) thought this team would be that bad. The McMahon defenders immediately default to "bad players". But perhaps the players look "bad" because the coaching has been absolutely awful and they aren't being put in position to succeed.
Was the 2021 LSU football team devoid of talent? Given that team was second only to national champion Georgia in the number of players drafted in the 2022 draft I would say no. So the 2021 season was more likely the result of horrible coaching being unable to put solid players in position to succeed. You saw the REVERSE of that this season where a good coach took arguably LSU's least talented team (overall) in 2 decades and won immediately.
LSU was picked to finish in the middle of what was thought to be a strong SEC. They were projected to participate in postseason play. Likely the NIT, but many who cover the sport nationally felt an outside shot to reach the NCAAT wasn't unreasonable. What has resulted is the worst team in the SEC and one of the worst teams among all major conferences.
So either EVERYONE who covers college basketball was incredibly wrong about the talent level of the roster? Or the coaching has been atrocious. The law of probabilities suggest it is the latter.
McMahon has been awful this year. Easily the worst opening season for an LSU HC in 20 years (and Jones and Wade didn't exactly have stacked rosters in their first seasons). Worse, there is no reason whatsoever to be optimistic for the future. Unlike Jones and Wade who had highly ranked recruiting classes coming in for their second seasons at LSU, McMahon doesn't have that. In fact, his current recruiting class is ranked significantly lower than his first class. And even if he is able to bolster/rebuild the roster in the transfer portal does anyone have confidence he could get much out of it? I don't. He has shown NOTHING this year to suggest otherwise.
So why does he "deserve" another year? Just to make certain he's going to bottom out LSU basketball?
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:06 am to LSUButt
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Adam Miller looks worse and worse every time he plays
Can’t wait for him to transfer and average like 15 ppg while shooting 43% from 3 elsewhere. You just know it’ll happen.
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Justice Williams
I was sort of shocked he returned. Poor guy has the yips. Some of his turnovers are shocking. Like the ball just going through his hands on Saturday.
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Derek Fountain
Fountain and Hayes would be nice role/bench guys.
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Hill
Never expected him to struggle this much.
He obviously had to scramble a roster together but outside of KJ and moments from Hannibal the guys he knew have disappointed, and the wildcard of the unknown guys outside of Fountain to an extent haven’t panned out. Looking at Missouri and other schools with a lot of turnover i cant believe we couldn’t find more shooting.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:52 am to MeanStreak
Not reading. You aren’t one of the four “true” LSU basketball fans.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 1:36 pm to LSUButt
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LSUButtI think people just freaking out on McMahon are also a bit silly. Any coach deserves a couple of years. Yea, he looks like shite. If anybody can’t admit that they aren’t being real. However, he absolutely deserves a couple of years. And newsflash: we absolutely don’t have jimmys and we certainly don’t have joes. Adam Miller looks worse and worse every time he plays. Justice Williams legit sucks. Trae Hannibal can’t shoot outside of 12 feet. Derek Fountain prior to this year couldn’t even get minutes for 2 years at a bad SEC school. Juice Hill is incapable of getting past SEC defenders and if he does he’s way too small to finish. I watch A LOT of college basketball and we have virtually no athleticism. How many blocks or dunks or exciting plays do we have? I watch other teams and we look so undermanned it’s insane. That’s where I get mad at people. I’m sure McMahon could have won 3-4 more games this year so he deserves criticism, but…our players suck too. He deserves a couple of years to show what he can do.
You know I respect you a ton but this guy won’t succeed and for the reasons you stated. He won’t recruit here. He’s boring in person. He’s boring in the press. He’s not built for this level of basketball. He won’t rally the fanbase like Will did and draw decent crowds. He was a MASSIVE mistake. He came from a college that does this. Produces coaches that move on and flame out on the big stage. And he’s potentially the worst, statistically, of all the ones who have left
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