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re: Wow ESPN "Mel & Todd - dumb and dumber" ripping Mett right now.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:31 pm to Schmelly
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:31 pm to Schmelly
As I understand it there's different reasons a test can be flagged. Dilution is one. Dilution with a trace of something is another. Seems like these 2 things are very different and a team would at least look into it before tossing them off their board. The Mel&Todd thing came off as a little "with huntish" with the way they were almost singling mett out
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:31 pm to Dudebro2
Okay, since many of yall don't know this process here is how it goes. Athletes train hard, they drink a ton of water. When I was in school I had to retake 4 tests because they were too diluted. At the NCAA level that means nothing, 3 of them they caught it during my initial test inspection so I just drank some powerade and retested and hour later. On one I actually got word back that About a week later and retested. Dilution happens, its no big deal.
I am surprised that this would be labeled a positive test in the NFL but so what. He testes positive for drinking a ton of water, basically he testes positive for taking care of his body while he was undergoing intense rehab, sounds smart to me.
Just to clarify, no trainer is going to tell there athlete to lay off the water 24 hours in advance of a drug test. Infact every trainer I have ever dealt with, (high school college, US national team) will tell you that if your piss isn't crystal clear you weren't drinking enough water. Hell they used to hand out swatches to show you the shade your piss should be.
I am surprised that this would be labeled a positive test in the NFL but so what. He testes positive for drinking a ton of water, basically he testes positive for taking care of his body while he was undergoing intense rehab, sounds smart to me.
Just to clarify, no trainer is going to tell there athlete to lay off the water 24 hours in advance of a drug test. Infact every trainer I have ever dealt with, (high school college, US national team) will tell you that if your piss isn't crystal clear you weren't drinking enough water. Hell they used to hand out swatches to show you the shade your piss should be.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:32 pm to massiveattack
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Because all the athletes but 10 passed! And they actually were working out.
Of the 10 who failed, how many had traces of banned substances in their urine?
In the past, how man "flagged" atletes were subsequently cleared?
But if it makes you somehow feel good let's convict him without further evidence.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:33 pm to lsu2006
We're not talking about a full week window. All he had to do was not dilute his sample within 24 hrs.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:34 pm to Stuckinthe90s
quote:Ditto. This is what leads me to believe 1 of two things:
Athletes train hard, they drink a ton of water. When I was in school I had to retake 4 tests because they were too diluted. At the NCAA level that means nothing, 3 of them they caught it during my initial test inspection so I just drank some powerade and retested and hour later. On one I actually got word back that About a week later and retested. Dilution happens, its no big deal.
I am surprised that this would be labeled a positive test in the NFL but so what. He testes positive for drinking a ton of water, basically he testes positive for taking care of his body while he was undergoing intense rehab, sounds smart to me.
1. Mett is lying and his dilution was for a masking agent, because the NFL allows for an immediate retest if over-hydrated.
2. The NFL has the dumbest drug testing policy for athletes I have ever seen and they count an "over-hydration" dilution as a failed test
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:35 pm to massiveattack
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All he had to do was not dilute his sample within 24 hrs.
And he didn't. That doesn't automatically make him in the wrong, and doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions that he's trying to hide something.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:36 pm to Schmelly
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. The Mel&Todd thing came off as a little "with huntish" with the way they were almost singling mett out
Todd has had it out for mett since the beginning, so I'm not surprised. Didn't realise he was such a douche but whatever. Both these guys are going to surprised when mett goes as high as the pats first round or as low as the Vikings 3rd round pick.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:36 pm to lsu2006
quote:Do you actually believe the dehydrated angle that his agent is pushing?
doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions that he's trying to hide something.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:37 pm to massiveattack
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Because all the athletes but 10 passed! And they actually were working out.
So. Why would that automatically mean that he would cut his water intake back?
All the test results say were that they were found to be diluted. I have no reason to read anything more into that.
If this would have happened to Spencer Ware last year I might have been skeptical because he had already failed a drug test at LSU.
However, if there is a plausible explanation for what happened, why should I assume the worst about someone with no (publicly) documented case of prior failed tests?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:37 pm to JBeam
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Do you actually believe the dehydrated angle that his agent is pushing?
I don't particularly care, to be honest. I think it is and will be a non-story.
But I just don't see the point in automatically assuming the worst. He didn't flat-out fail. Let's give some time for the smoke to clear and find out the facts before we question Mett and his camp's motives.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:37 pm to JBeam
If I'm Freak or Jernigan's agent, I'm throwing out the water story today as well.
The classic dehydration defense.
The classic dehydration defense.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:39 pm to massiveattack
Exactly... 
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:40 pm to Tigah32
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His piss test was flagged because there wasn't enough urine. He drank too much water. His physician confirmed it.
Yes it was diluted you are correct he drank way too much water. The point is why did he drink that much water right before his drug test? Is it really because he was cramping up and dehydrated, when he did not work out at the NFL combine. Or what was it he was trying to hide. Probably PED's, if that is the case considering his major surgery probably not as big a character flaw as if it was some kind of dope.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:42 pm to lsu2006
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Let's give some time for the smoke to clear
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:44 pm to Dudebro2
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The point is why did he drink that much water right before his drug test?
Perhaps he has a shy bladder? Some drug tests require a person watch you pee to ensure that you aren't pouring something else into the cup.
Before a work mandated drug test I chugged a liter of water to ensure I would have to go. Never thought that could have made me look guilty.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:45 pm to Bmath
Shy bladder
This gets better and better
This gets better and better
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:45 pm to massiveattack
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If I'm Freak or Jernigan's agent, I'm throwing out the water story today as well.
The classic dehydration defense.
that does not work if they tested positive for weed...mett did not test positive for anything
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:47 pm to Dudebro2
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Yes it was diluted you are correct he drank way too much water. The point is why did he drink that much water right before his drug test? Is it really because he was cramping up and dehydrated, when he did not work out at the NFL combine. Or what was it he was trying to hide. Probably PED's, if that is the case considering his major surgery probably not as big a character flaw as if it was some kind of dope.
do you not think he was rehabbing his arse off even if he wasn't working out at the combine?
do you remember him participating in pro day? do you think he was able to do that by sitting on his arse all day like you think he is doing?
again, i don't know if he was trying to cover something up but this is retarded logic
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:47 pm to Dudebro2
They have all this access to the player when taking these drug test they didn't know if he had put water in the test or not. Come on just let them bring out the facts first before destroying his rep.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:47 pm to massiveattack
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Shy bladder This gets better and better
You keep asking for reasons. Obviously the only thing you accept is a retest that comes back negative.
To each his own, but I don't see why you have to throw him under the bus.
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